The Remnants 

Got a question here: can hedge knight craft the estoc? I got one but its running now on durability, do I just repair it when it breaks?

Vigilance I think I will end up waiting for the mod author to fix this before trying to go about this myself.

Grant_Grimm Hmm, I'm not a super-expert on this stuff. It's worth mentioning that it could go a little deeper than I assumed, since my changes aren't with theremnants at all but a patch I apply afterwards using CO and remnants as dependencies, having my patch apply afterwards and ultimately replacing anything that might be out of wack. You look like you're missing a curly bracket compared to my modinfo, unless you just didn't include it? Let me try, just for fun, to modify remnants directly instead. Will report back.

Edit: Can confirm that just throwing a curly bracket on the end fixes it. Happens to the best of us. I did not personally include the "side" and "required" lines, as such:

ie: "dependencies": {"combatoverhaul": "*"
}
}

Rag_Maggot I don't personally think it's super wise to alter CO/overhaullib like that, since at least re: server usage it makes things difficult, not to mention the potential for weirdness from making a lib load after its dependency.

I got a fix for CO being weird for this mod and the fix itself is weird too, heres what I did

In combat overhaul remove overhaullib as a dependancy
but in overhaullib add CO as a dependency

that way yeoman and hedgeguard actually work with their intended class picks.

(All of this is done in modinfo file within the zip files)

The main issue returns if the mods load order changes. Like remenants DOES read the mods but in incorrect order so it goes "HUH?" and fails to apply correctly and gives vanilla default CO traits to the first 0-4 ID classes (vanilla class slots)

Vigilance Are you able to share the file?

I tried running this:

{
"type": "Content",
"modid": "theremnants",
"name": "The Remnants",
"version": "1.0.3",
"authors": ["MrFistycuffs"],
"description": "Adds a series of custom flavor classes heavily inspired by the Vintage Story lore. ",
"dependencies": {
"combatoverhaul": "*"
},

"side" : "Universal",
"requiredOnClient": true,
"requiredOnServer": true
}

and it didn't work

Alright, so since I've been using this class mod for my own server, I was personally invested in trying to resolve the traits issue people are reporting. I (with the help of my resident nerd) have narrowed down that the issue is a simple dependencies thing. The mod was loading after Overhaullib, but not after Combat Overhaul, leading to some things being overwritten, due to some funny stuff in the order of how mods are loaded (since it loads all mods without dependencies first, then loads mods with dependencies after)

I managed to fix this issue with my own personal patch by just setting an actual dependency in modinfo.json for CO, and then it loaded in the correct order and restored Yeoman to being an archer (being the most egregious example of mismatched traits) and I suspect it'd probably work the same for your mod too.

Agreed-This mode is beautifully interwoven with the game, and masterfully crafted. Keep it up! I really enjoy the lore and flavour text, defo waiting for this mod to update. :DD

take your time! i appreciate your work and would rather its done where you're comfortable and able to. thank you~!

LambdaE 

I think you are right, been working on it and it looks like that is the update that broke it so digging in to when I have free time. 

Sorry everyone else too! I have been working on it when I have free time, which I have not had much of the last few weeks. Thank you for your patience.

Please make it current base game version, or make it 1.20.x \/\/\/

anyone got a fix for the split of combat overhaul?

yeah same here, i think the issue started when combat overhaul split into requiring the overhaul lib

Same issue as the two below. Some classes have their traits swapped, bugged, or otherwise not as they should be.

GratLurking yeah i noticed that as well

I dunno when or how it happened, but the last time I booted up a creative world (today), the Yeoman's traits were replaced by the Hedge Knight's traits, though it retained it's starting bow. Has anyone seen this happen before?

I thought the best mod on classes held to vanilla tones, but should we expect compatibility with eden instinct in the foreseeable future?

I absolutely love the mod, but I agree with WeatherAlchemy as far as the commoner class goes. I don't need the other classes, but I would like the option for a class with no abilities again.

So, I think there is a very fundamental issue with you taking out the base game classes. Namely, the fact that the Commoner class doesn't exist. Consequently, my friend and I are now in a situation where he can't change out of the Remnant classes, but I, in the Commoner Class cannot change to a remnant class because the game crashes. 

I don't quite understand the point of removing the commoner class when the entire point of itwas that it has no buffs or debuffs, particularly as your current implementation seems to make it impossible to add the mod mid playthrough, and nor do you have any warnings against adding the mod to a preexisting world.

I have genuine regrets about installing this mod, given that this implementation innately screws over the player should they need to remove the mod for one reason or another, or wish to change class from a Vanilla class. 

I feel the need to point out that the Class flavor texts all ending with "Forever Alone" is very out of place with the idea of the mod being intended for multiplayer use. I think that the classes and the flavor text are great other than that slightly... Idk, hammy? Bit. 

That said, it's no where near being an actual issue with the mod lol.

@Sevie A member of my server made a workaround by re-adding in the vanilla classes that were missing, and stripping them of all of their traits with a language modification to note "This class will be removed!" in it for my members to see.

It allowed us to use the allowcharselonce command for everyone without wiping data or causing any visible conflicts. I wouldn't imagine this would be a good idea for the base mod, but you could make a third mod that does something similar to install temporarily.

Coda_Vanistok, the only way i could figure out how to add this to an existing server is by wiping the player's data (inventory, class, character, ect) and having them rejoin.
to wipe a player's data: /player [playername] wipedata
you can also try: /player [playername] allowcharselonce (although this did not work for me on release 1.0.0, as it would crash on the class selection page.)

So is there a way to drop this into an existing server? I am getting a class error clientside, due to Commoner and others being renamed I'd imagine.

Sirix

Looks like that was an issue with checking the "Modifiy Vanilla Classes" false, it will cause crashing until you turn it to true, save settings, and restart your world or make a new world. This is due to how compatibility works between the classes and CO, if you uncheck “Modify Vanilla Classes”, the mod is now still trying to add a trait which no longer exists, still working on my ConfigLib files, but the mod will always work fine as long as you have that “Modify Vanilla Classes” setting to true. I updated the CO compatibility section to make sure people know to do that.

Cuddly_Khan

Working through that now through ConfigLib, although at the moment you cant sync server settings for patches that apply to assets in config folder, so it would only work for singleplayer without being a pain for everyone on a server. Right now I was going to release a “Lite” version of my mod that is a mirror, just with no starting equipment, that way people can just select which one they would prefer.

Would it be possible to add two config options, one that disables the starting gear, and another that disables starting with clothes? 

When I click on the traits tab I get a crash related to "quarterstaffProficiency". This is with combat overhaul installed and it happens regardless if I have Modify Vanilla Classes set to true or false.

Running on 64 bit Windows 10.0.19045.0 with 32678 MB RAM
Game Version: v1.20.1 (Stable)
1/24/2025 7:44:11 AM: Critical error occurred
Loaded Mods: backpackpackStandardcontinued@1.0.0, BetterGrass@0.0.3, scrapblocks@1.1.0, bettertraders@0.0.9, chargedjump@1.0.4, combatoverhaul@0.1.11, dodgemaster@1.0.2, elephantidae@1.0.2, sirenia@1.0.13, spheniscidae@1.0.5, immersiveorecrush@2.0.2, long-term_food@0.1.5, manualscraping@1.2.1, manualtoolcrafting@1.3.1, morecrystals@1.3.0, primitivesurvival@3.7.5, qolcraft@2.0.0, theremnants@1.0.1, sirixbetterstorage2123@1.0.0, spyglass@0.5.2, TemporalTechnology@1.0.4, terraprety@6.0.1, game@1.20.1, vsimgui@1.1.7, apegrapes@1.2.0, armory@0.1.1, betterruins@0.4.6, carryon@1.8.0-pre.1, TrapdoorLadder@1.0.0, commonlib@2.6.1, configlib@1.4.3, danatweaks@3.3.10, foodshelves@1.4.4, hydrateordiedrate@1.7.1, maltiezcrossbows@0.6.1, rivers@4.1.0, rockstratavariety@0.0.1, statushudcont@3.2.2, th3dungeon@0.4.0, creative@1.20.1, survival@1.20.1, weatherthestorm@1.1.0, xlib@0.8.8, autoconfiglib@2.0.2, playercorpse@1.11.0, xinvtweaks@1.6.9, xskills@0.8.9
System.Collections.Generic.KeyNotFoundException: The given key 'quarterstaffProficiency' was not present in the dictionary.
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2.get_Item(TKey key)
at Vintagestory.GameContent.CharacterSystem.<>c__DisplayClass15_0.b__1(String code) in VSSurvivalMod\Systems\Character\Character.cs:line 148
at System.Linq.Enumerable.SelectArrayIterator`2.ToArray()
at System.Linq.Buffer`1..ctor(IEnumerable`1 source)
at System.Linq.OrderedEnumerable`1.GetEnumerator()+MoveNext()
at Vintagestory.GameContent.CharacterSystem.getClassTraitText() in VSSurvivalMod\Systems\Character\Character.cs:line 150
at Vintagestory.GameContent.CharacterSystem.composeTraitsTab(GuiComposer compo) in VSSurvivalMod\Systems\Character\Character.cs:line 136
at Vintagestory.Client.NoObf.GuiDialogCharacter.ComposeGuis() in VintagestoryLib\Client\Systems\Gui\Dialogs\GuiDialogCharacter.cs:line 128
at Vintagestory.Client.NoObf.GuiDialogCharacter.onTabClicked(Int32 tabindex) in VintagestoryLib\Client\Systems\Gui\Dialogs\GuiDialogCharacter.cs:line 151
at Vintagestory.API.Client.GuiElementHorizontalTabs.SetValue(Int32 selectedIndex, Boolean callhandler) in VintagestoryApi\Client\UI\Elements\Impl\Interactive\Controls\GuiElementHorizontalTabs.cs:line 288
at Vintagestory.API.Client.GuiElementHorizontalTabs.OnMouseDownOnElement(ICoreClientAPI api, MouseEvent args) in VintagestoryApi\Client\UI\Elements\Impl\Interactive\Controls\GuiElementHorizontalTabs.cs:line 271
at Vintagestory.API.Client.GuiElement.OnMouseDown(ICoreClientAPI api, MouseEvent mouse) in VintagestoryApi\Client\UI\Elements\Impl\GuiElement.cs:line 689
at Vintagestory.API.Client.GuiComposer.OnMouseDown(MouseEvent mouseArgs) in VintagestoryApi\Client\UI\GuiComposer.cs:line 469
at Vintagestory.API.Client.GuiDialog.OnMouseDown(MouseEvent args) in VintagestoryApi\Client\UI\Dialog\GuiDialog.cs:line 562
at Vintagestory.Client.NoObf.GuiDialogCharacter.OnMouseDown(MouseEvent args) in VintagestoryLib\Client\Systems\Gui\Dialogs\GuiDialogCharacter.cs:line 158
at Vintagestory.Client.NoObf.GuiManager.OnMouseDown(MouseEvent args) in VintagestoryLib\Client\Systems\Gui\GuiManager.cs:line 393
at Vintagestory.Client.NoObf.ClientMain.UpdateMouseButtonState(EnumMouseButton button, Boolean down) in VintagestoryLib\Client\ClientMain.cs:line 1908
at Vintagestory.Client.SystemHotkeys.OnPrimaryMouseButton(KeyCombination mb) in VintagestoryLib\Client\Systems\Player\Hotkeys.cs:line 50
at Vintagestory.Client.HotkeyManager.TriggerHotKey(KeyEvent keyEventargs, IWorldAccessor world, IPlayer player, Boolean allowCharacterControls, Boolean isGlobal, Boolean fallBack, Boolean keyup) in VintagestoryLib\Client\HotkeyManager.cs:line 422
at Vintagestory.Client.HotkeyManager.TriggerHotKey(KeyEvent keyEventargs, IWorldAccessor world, IPlayer player, Boolean allowCharacterControls, Boolean keyUp) in VintagestoryLib\Client\HotkeyManager.cs:line 392
at Vintagestory.Client.HotkeyManager.OnMouseButton(ClientMain game, EnumMouseButton button, Int32 modifiers, Boolean buttonDown) in VintagestoryLib\Client\HotkeyManager.cs:line 574
at Vintagestory.Client.NoObf.ClientMain.OnMouseDownRaw(MouseEvent args) in VintagestoryLib\Client\ClientMain.cs:line 1878
at Vintagestory.Client.GuiScreenRunningGame.OnMouseDown(MouseEvent args) in VintagestoryLib\Client\MainMenu\Screens\GuiScreenRunningGame.cs:line 337
at Vintagestory.Client.ScreenManager.OnMouseDown(MouseEvent e) in VintagestoryLib\Client\ScreenManager.cs:line 906
at Vintagestory.Client.NoObf.ClientPlatformWindows.Mouse_ButtonDown(MouseButtonEventArgs e) in VintagestoryLib\Client\ClientPlatform\Input.cs:line 201
at OpenTK.Windowing.Desktop.NativeWindow.OnMouseDown(MouseButtonEventArgs e)
at OpenTK.Windowing.Desktop.NativeWindow.MouseButtonCallback(Window* window, MouseButton button, InputAction action, KeyModifiers mods)
--- End of stack trace from previous location ---
at OpenTK.Windowing.Desktop.NativeWindow.RethrowCallbackExceptionsIfNeeded()
at OpenTK.Windowing.Desktop.NativeWindow.ProcessWindowEvents(Boolean waitForEvents)
at OpenTK.Windowing.Desktop.GameWindow.Run()
at Vintagestory.Client.ClientProgram.Start(ClientProgramArgs args, String[] rawArgs) in VintagestoryLib\Client\ClientProgram.cs:line 334
at Vintagestory.Client.ClientProgram.<>c__DisplayClass10_0.<.ctor>b__1() in VintagestoryLib\Client\ClientProgram.cs:line 130
at Vintagestory.ClientNative.CrashReporter.Start(ThreadStart start) in VintagestoryLib\Client\ClientPlatform\ClientNative\CrashReporter.cs:line 93

Thank you so much for the update!

Izenhof CHR3S Brutus MikeSyrup AzuliBluespots Windle bringitonwimps

Well you don't have to worry about it anymore lol, all the weapon traits should apply based on each class now if you have CO installed.

Where is this magical config file to disable the "modify vanilla classes"
The config does not seem to exist

The closest is the following but changing it does not change anything

"code": "modify_vanilla_classes",
"type": "boolean",
"ingui": "combatoverhaul:setting-modify_vanilla_classes",
"default": true

CHR3S

Brutus

MikeSyrup

Its “Modify Vanilla Classes” option, then restart your world and the traits will correct themselves.

@RowdyArt And the single option would be?

For anyone wanting compatibility with CO it is possible to disable the CO trait overhaul included in that mod with a single option ticked to "off" in the config settings. This will allow the traits from this mod to show through properly and you will still be able to play with all CO features.

Can this mod be made compatible with Combat Overhaul, please?

Loving the mod, but with combat overhaul installed it seems as if Yeoman has vanilla blackguard traits, hedge knight seems to have the vanilla hunter stats and the Ironmonger has vanilla clockmaker stats.

AzuliBluespots Cuddly_Khan

Working with mod authors to try and see what ways foward I have for compatibility patching, CO has alot of moving parts that touchs a lot of parts of the game, including the class system. 

EndlessOats

That.....is a very good idea, I never thought about that! I think it is because I have always played with the game option of always drop clutter items on. But I will put it on the list!

very unique! i like how the different classes feel like their debuffs are actually related to their professions, instead of just being tacked on like vanilla ones. having two combat-focused classes to choose from is also really nice, and adds some much needed variety to multiplayer servers.

that being said, i wish the guildsman didn't have such crippling debuffs! i get the reason for them being fragile, but personally i would never pick a class with such heavy debuffs, even as a challenge (coming from someone who regularly plays as a tailor). the -25% melee damage makes it too much for me.

+1 on the combat overhaul compatibility, this is a really interesting take on classes, and if it has a synnergy with Combat Overhaul, it's going to be my go-to class mod for a while.

Hey, are there any plans of making this compatible with Xskills? Specifically for the different skill bonuses for each class.

Pretty cool, but I notice that with the Wanderer class you can craft lanterns out of jonas lights, but there's no buff that makes it so you can pick them up without them shattering. I think the idea of a mobile class is kind of broken by the requirement of a quern in order to make glue for making what's supposed to be an "on the fly" kind of item. Consider adding a buff that makes it so they can pick up ruins/just jonas lights without glue regardless of world setting (or even just have a chance to).

Love the poem!

glad to hear it !! ive been reading the new entries and such of all the new and overhauled classes and i can imagine them having really fun and varied weapon proficiencies that fit both the playstyle and their lore :DD

Windle

I will look into it, never used the combat overhaul mod myself, but the idea of custom proficiencies are too good to not get compatibility for!

this looks suuuuper interesting and i really like the addition of a wandering class !! are there any plans with adding compat with https://mods.vintagestory.at/combatoverhaul ? would be cool to see what this mod would look like with their weapon proficiency system !!

ok, I'll test it out and let you know.. thanks!

bringitonwimps 

Should be, the remnants replaces the base game classes, and the all classes mod adds to that list, just loaded it up with both no problem, and there shouldn't be any conflicts with recipes, but let me know if you run into serious issues. 

This is some great stuff. Love your visioning and balancing for this mod. :)

do you know if this will be compatible with the all classes mod?.. I like this but I don't want to force all my players to reclass again, already moved from more classes to all classe once.

Oh wow, this looks by far like the best class mod I've seen yet. I especially love how the base classes were reworked and the idea of giving each class some starting equipment.

I'm definitely going to follow this, want to see how it expands in the future.