Wilderlands Ethology

I've been finding a lot of dead fish floating around, all from this mod. I don't think I've seen any terrestrial animals yet though.

U3er Yes, but only pre 1.22

Is this compatible with other mods that add new creatures?  Such as fauna of the stone age?

roger. Ill ask over there, thanks for the fast reply!

MAGp13 Only if Truth and Beauty patched their mod to work with it. I've not done any compat work with other mods on this project.

Is this mod compatable with truth and beauty: detailed animals?

Centerion The mod was pretty much already compatible with the current game version. Fixed a few missing lang keys. Nothing else important was touched. I'm looking into why some fish are still so rare, but there is nothing major that needed updating at all. Everything works.

what was updated?

update??

Any possible update soon?

Combat overhaul?

Hey guys. Error regarding the bass is noted. I've been traveling a lot in recent weeks. Will get an update out as soon as I can make some time. Grandbaby due soon, so preoccupied with other things. Several updates to get out when I can give modding some appropriate time. ;)

Thanks Bannta for mentioning this, I literally just came across it. I had to hunt down a second one just to be sure the one I got simply wasn't glitched.

Love you mod version 1.0.1.

I found a missing recipe in the fish-harvesting.json "wethology:deadfish-sea_bass-large".

Regards,

Due to the changes to drops in pigs, do you know if this mod is compatible with Butchering and/or Truth and Beauty? Truth and Beauty mentions that any mods that rebalance drops from animals are a "major incompatibility," which is perfectly reasonable and understandable. I guess my next question would be if it isn't compatible with Truth and Beauty, would there be a way to fix the pig's drop rates from this mod on my end back to vanilla values?

Ikaahi Easiest method would be to edit bearded-dragon.json under spawnconditions. Set the chance to 0 and maxQuantity to 0 which should make it impossible for the entity to spawn as unlike most mob mods, there is no user friendly config setup.

Is there a way to configure the entity spawns in this one? I namely want to get rid of the dragon

HI :)

FYI: Just realized that the changes I've made to fish entities in the 1.0.1 update have likely rendered them no longer compatible with Biomes. I'll try to get a patch out in the next day or two to address that.

merryclefairy Thanks for letting me know. Not sure how that has been overlooked. Simple error. I'll have it fixed in the next update due to come out soon.

hello, is this important ?
18.6.2025 22:28:15 [Warning] Entity with code wethology:piranha has defined a companion spawn ethology:piranha, but no such entity type found.

Love that this got biomes support recently. I mentioned in one of Crabb's threads on discord but wanted to comment here for others to know:

If you happen to install this series and Fauna of the stone age caninae this mod TURNS DEFAULT WOLVES BACK ON

For me, this is a HUGE plus. I loved the behavior of the default wolves and not having them make a lot of areas quite a lot safer because the FOTSA wolves are not as common, and not as aggressive.

I hope this behavior remains, unsure what exactly caused it or if biomes or FOTSA will cut it off but for now wanted to mention for others that if you play with FOTSA and this, default wolves will be back. Personally, huge plus. Love the additions.

Following, Excited to add once there's biomes support! I've been having issues with there being no fish in any of my water and i'm unsure which mod is causing it so perhaps this will fix it.

Rogan519 As far as being compatible? I don't see an issue. If you are talking about how well they are balanced if run together? I'm not sure. I did not design this module with PS in mind, as we don't use PS on our community server. I don't see why there would be a problem though. With both mods running, you'd simply have fish you could see swimming around that you could try to kill/harvest, then you'd have other fish that you caught on PS fishing gear.

(Also, there seems to be a persistant issue with fish not fleeing the player. I am struggling to figure out what the issue is, but I've not had a lot of time to give to look into it. Ethology is next on my radar to get updated, so I should be taking a good look in the next few days and have a fix out in the next update. It might be a bit till that update is ready. I have a number of new and larger fish to add into the mix, and I need to work Biomes compatibility into it. Hopefully the larger fish will also be compatible with Butchering. Lots of ideas to work over. )

Rogan519 As far as being compatible? I don't see an issue. If you are talking about how well they are balanced if run together? I'm not sure. I did not design this module with PS in mind, as we don't use PS on our community server. I don't see why there would be a problem though. With both mods running, you'd simply have fish you could see swimming around that you could try to kill/harvest, then you'd have other fish that you caught on PS fishing gear.

(Also, there seems to be a persistant issue with fish not fleeing the player. I am struggling to figure out what the issue is, but I've not had a lot of time to give to look into it. Ethology is next on my radar to get updated, so I should be taking a good look in the next few days and have a fix out in the next update. It might be a bit till that update is ready. I have a number of new and larger fish to add into the mix, and I need to work Biomes compatibility into it. Hopefully the larger fish will also be compatible with Butchering. Lots of ideas to work over. )

How compatible is this with Primitive Survival? I'm ok if the fish from here won't show up in the traps from PS but I'm worried about things not really flowing well between the two mods...

yay!! i'm so excited!! sorry for the question, i haven't played in a while and was thinking about picking the game back up with some new mods and it wasn't quite clear to me bc i hadn't played with the biomes mods before <3 please take your time but i am excited! 

Huzzah! I cannot wait!

LeoSpades, merryclefairy, Hydromancerx, Biomes support is planned, and should be coming soon-ish. I've been quite busy with some real life stuff, but intend to take up the next Ethology update this week. It should be a significant one, so it will take some time, but Biomes compat will be worked into it with the next release.

Ah, that explains why I see no fish... this mod doesn't work with Biomes. Darn

ooh, are these mods not compatibile with the biomes + reigions/fauna and flora mods? 

are the wolves features implemented? can't really tell in game and don't see jsons in .zip

will the bearded dragons be tameable? would be pretty cool to have a funny little lizard companion :)

Probably at some point, yes. I have more I want to add, but can't give it the attention it needs for at least a few more weeks.

Thalius

Will you be adding Biome mod support?

Abysscuit

I'm glad you are enjoying them! I probably won't enable the caimans. The game's current ai does not allow for making them work right, for one thing. For the other, it seems that the devs have gators in the works themselves, meaning there will be no need for mine. I assume they are working on AI to make them act right, and theirs will go live once they have it ready.

Ethology might end up focusing on adding aquatic entities and tweaking the behavior of land critters, unless there is a specific area in the game that I feel is missing something.

One thing I want to add that requires some new AI is seals far to the north as a good source for meat and specifically animal fats. They'd need the same sort of AI gators need, to account for an animal that can live both on land and on sea, so once the devs get gators added, and assuming their AI works like I think it should, seals might be able to be added.

When in creative I noticed 2 caiman models that couldn't be spawned in. I was just curious if you were going to add them at some point or if they were scrapped. I love your mods and thank you for making them.

TestTub3 Thanks for the report. The fleeing is an issue that I've not worked out yet. They should flee, but the AI is not kicking in. Not sure what is up. I'll be looking at that again soon.

As for fish floating being an issue, I'd not thought of that. I usually kill mine in shallow water where crouching is not an issue. I'll look into what I can do about that.

Issue I noticed with the fish, when killed they do not float to the bottom of the water and thus can't be harvested correctly becuase crouching will make you sink. Also fish do not seem to be afraid of the player

Fishing spears? Not sure. Doubtful, unless they work like any other spear.

Do the fishing spears from Primitive Survival work for the fish in this mod?

I was able to address the issue with fish not spawning correctly. I'm still not sure what the problem was. I was seeing only catfish spawning in low rates in testing, so I carved catfish out of the fish entity JSON into it's own entity file and voilà, the other fish variants started spawning.

Adjusted spawn rates higher, but maybe too high. Figured I'd make sure they showed up, and work downward from there if they are too much. Also made some other adjustments to some behaviors that probably won't be noticeable, since fish have not been spawning right to begin with.

Community feedback on this very welcomed!

For anyone keeping an eye on this today, waiting for an update-
I'm working on it. Also seeing the spawn issue related to fish, and I'm not sure what is going on.

In testing I've cranked spawn chance up to 0.9, which should have them everywhere. I'm seeing a lot of stingrays and jellyfish, but only catfish. Which is weird. All the fish entities share the same "spawnInsideBlock" codes and other spawn parameters. They should be everywhere. It's like the game does not want to load variants of the "fish" entity, only catfish.

Can confirm, haven't seen much change in the lakes around me, likely need to go find new chunks for them to appear I suppose?
Thalius

Yes, the crabs were the only thing spawning around us. 

Jonvelez Are you running Primitive Survival? Crabs are not mine.

I'll look at spawn rates. I'm hearing several reports of few or no fish spawning. Not sure why. My spawn rates are not that low. I almost always find them in at least the oceans pretty early on.

Thalius So, after 16 hours in this world, in multiplayer. The only creatures we have seen are crabs. Which promptly killed a low health player. 

TestTub3 If you loaded Ethology to an existing world, what you are seeing is the "game:salmon" entity being removed from world chunks where they had previously loaded.

I disabled the game's version of salmon and added my own with new shape and texture, as well as spawn parameters that put them in colder waters. The warning messages you are seeing will stop once all of the game's version of salmon are removed.

For some reason when near a large body of water the server console floods with this same warning over and over again;

[Warn] Couldn't load entity class Vintagestory.GameContent.EntityFish saved type code game:salmon - its Type is null! Will remove from chunk, sorry!

Jonvelez Thanks for the report. I've been wondering how they were spawning. Especially in multiplayer where rates get ticked up a bit.

The mod is still in "dev" mode. I'm intent on making sure they don't over-spawn, so rates might still be too low to be enjoyable. Mostly concerned about oceans. That's a lot of water for things to over-spawn in and cause entity population issues.

I'll be making some spawn rate adjustments soon.

Fish do not seem to be spawning. When fish are spawned in creative, they disappear after a short time.

I'll do more mulitplayer testing and see if fish ever spawn.

Many of the aquatic animals in this mod and more are available in similar form in another mod series by Hieronymus. If you are looking for fish only, I direct you to those mods. Other mods also have stingrays and jellyfish without the other ai tweaks and additional critters I've added.

Hieronymus was gracious enough to allow me to use some of the shape assets which I selected from some of those modules for this project for my server. I tweaked them a bit, altered their textures, and made a few of my own along with giving them my own behaviors, but the shape assets for a lot of the fish originated with Hieronymus' work. I'd rather not launch an aquatic critters only mod and compete with them.

Could you please create a version that  just adds the aquatic animals?

Mod I.D.?: wethology

What's the correct ID for server command install on this? Tried wilderlandsethology and wilderlands_ethology? @thalius 

Nothing with Ethology is worldgen related. It only adds a some new entities and tweaks some vanilla creature ai behavior. Removing the mod from a server will simply result in any added Ethology entites being removed from the server when it is restarted. You'll get some notices in the log files about existing Ethology entites being removed from world chunks, but nothing after that.

Thalius

I'll give it a shot on my little private dedicated with some friends today and get back to you, nothing here should be worldgen correct?

I could really use some feedback on how well fish are spawning, especially on multiplayer servers.

Papi69 How long has the world been up? They spawn on runtime only, so it may take a bit for them to start appearing in a new world.

I can adjust the spawn rate higher if needed, but don't want the world overrun with fish clogging up the seas or large lakes and hogging the entity spawn cap to themselves. I kept the spawn rate low for now, waiting for feedback.

With new v.1.20 I don't see any of animals or fish spawning by themself

osari Thanks for letting me know. Forgot to update domain name fix in the entity shape files.

Issue should be resovled in dev3 release.

Freshwater stingrays seem to have lost their texture in the domain name fix. There may be others caught in the change, but I haven't seen them yet!

Fixed. ;)

No worries, happens to the best of us!

@itinerare Thanks for the head's up. I meant to look back over all that before I uploaded it. The mod went through several name changes in my dev folder. Apparently I missed that. Just got back from a vacation and forgot to review it. Will fix.

Oh, glad to see this mod/concept up and active again, and looking forward to future development!

As a heads-up, your use of your mod ID is inconsistent-- the modinfo has "wethology", but the folder that houses its files is just "ethology"; iirc, it's best for those to match one way or another. Additionally, the bear patches have "nethology" as the domain for the added fish, which I think will result in issues regardless.

sea life, thanks! 

Ooh, your mods look good. Making VS harder and more immersive. I like it.