Step 1:

Go to: VintagestoryData\ModConfig\BetterErProspecting.json

open the json via notepad and:

change: "DensityBlackListedOres": "flint, quartz",

to:

"DensityBlackListedOres": "flint",

and save.

Step 2 (quartz):

Go to: VintagestoryData\Mods\InterestingOreGen-v2.3.8.zip\assets\interestingoregen\worldgen\deposits\mineralore\quartz.json

open the json via notepad and:

change: "withOreMap": false,

to:

"withOreMap": true,

and save

Step 3 (olivine):

Go to: VintagestoryData\Mods\InterestingOreGen-v2.3.8.zip\assets\interestingoregen\worldgen\deposits\mineralore\olivine.json

open the json via notepad and:

change: "withOreMap": false,

to:

"withOreMap": true,

and save

Hope this helps.

so i'm loving this mod, ended up building my base over a massive iron ore vein so i'll be set for ages and ages, in combo with better-er prospecting i've not had to consult x-rays nearly ever. prospecting is now a breeze. just wanted to make sure i'm just beholden to some poor luck, though, i haven't found a lick of galena in several thousands of blocks. even sanity checking with block overlay, i've got nothing. i know quartz spawns in smaller hunks now, is galena also more rare now? 

Ahoy! I would really appreciate if you added a picture of the "boulder" to the Mod Example images. It references "boulders" many times, but does not explain if it's using the default game boulders, or a structure / terrain feature.

EDIT : Yeah, its a terrain feature, I spent a solid couple hours exploring in all directions looking for the game block "boulder" not a generated feature :p, probably useful to clarify for people who area little dense like me lmao

That's fine that they don't all conform to terrain. I just wanted to be sure that the flat oval splotches of stone I see sometimes were also the same marker boulders.

Hymneo The end game ores are meant to be more rare as far as I can tell, you should be looking for the horsetail at the end of a faultline. Scroll down to the comments from 3 days ago, Ross already answered this for someone else. 

schaminee1 Rock Strata Variety does a lot to correct the poor management of rock layers RosstheGreat mentions.  It doesn't directly change ore spawn behavior, but it makes non-granite rock layers in general more common, which will in turn make ores that spawn in rocks other than granite more common.

schaminee1 Due to how rocklayers work, your top layer is sediment, but it's the total % of sedimentary rock in a column is far less than an igneous floor. If you have 40% of a column being air, 20% sedimentary, and 40% igneous then you still have almost double chance to get igneous ores (copper, zinc, tin, iron, bismuth) over something like lead (which only spawns in sedimentary rock). Unfortunately this is due to vanilla's poor managing of rock layer thicknesses. Naturally sedimentary rock-based ores will simply spawn less often than deeper ones.

Quartz is intentionally rarer (About 2x more rare than average ores, so not hugely more rare), as the new superstructures are meant to be the main quartz resources. They are still there but none will contain gold or silver.

in my world which is majority (thus far. roughly 1500 by 1500) sedimentary rocks their is litterally no lead. have found bismuth, tin, iron, zinc, and copper. also very, very few quartz structures. I am on version 2.3.4

Chilimunyaka Yep that's fine as long as it's a harmony patch. 

SnakeMittens Because of how ore spawns work, it's not really possible to have them configurable easily. More than likely what's happening is you're getting unlucky, in some of my test worlds I had a lot of bismuth because I was in a host stone for it (granite) but almost no sedimentary spawning ores (Such as lead). 

Also on note for Titanium, that *only* spawns in fault veins now if you're on 2.3.0+ (I'd recommend 2.3.4) to gate STRICTLY endgame ores behind finding the new megastructures. (Specifically pendlandite, Ilmenite, and Chromite) so you shouldn't see it at all normally.

RosstheGreat Any chance of making the ore spawn rates configurable? Based on my current testing, bismuth spawns way more frequently than I would expect while titanium and lead almost never show up.

Arriator The only ones there are end-game ores (Ilmenite, Chromite, and Pendlandite) and gold/silver (And some minerals like sulfur). Primarily this was done because a new non-oremap update was added at the same time for IOG, and that made all ores fight with each other, and reduced how often early-game ores spawn. Worst case you can enable them manually on singleplayer, or make a patch to enable them very easily. All of it is in IOG's worldgen folder. 

I will look into changing it, I've simply not had the time to playtest it so nothing here is concrete. If you have specific ores you'd like to see let me know.

I don't suppose there are any plans to maintain the old version of the mod? As interesting as all this stuff sounds on paper, I can't help but notice that several ores that are required for the game's progression are consigned to beyond-rare structures in this new iteration, which might not make for very fun gameplay; for some of us, realism isn't always the answer. I fear that I may have to stop using it altogether.

RosstheGreat I understand that, I'm just relaying that when those two mods combine, no underground ores seem to be spawning. Prospector pick (even when using BetererProspecting) also doesn't see any cavern ores, only surface ores, and deep gemstones. But no iron, titanium, zinc, etc.

Knuffeldraak I'm a little confused, wilderlands Caves doesn't spawn ores in caves. It simply exposes veins either, however IOG veins are while extremely large, very rare in comparison to vanilla ore veins. Unless I'm missing something here?

Huh. I've tried to run this mod together with Wilderlands: Caves in 1.22, and for some reason I have absolutely zero cave ores going on.

Exmortis That's a bit more complicated than I had anticipated when I tried doing it initially. I could probably add some from of way to generate a new ore body, but otherwise no there is no spawn ability for ores individually and I don't plan on adding one anytime soon. Mainly because I'm hard at work on the next mod in the series: Interesting Mining & Extraction.

There are a few fun JSON features i've added (but don't use) in the background such as "Distance from Spawn" for ore deposits, to allow ore types to spawn in rings (both minimum and maximum distance) if that's interesting, I'd highly recommend contacting me on discord for faster replies. (Official VS discord is fine, I also have a thread there) I'm currently simply too busy to implement something like that, and personally it's something well outside of my scope currently, and unlikely to be added in the future for now.

Hi RosstheGreat

Big fan of your mod (Though not of the cave ins xD) 

Been using it for a while, but wondering if there's any commands or way to force generate ore deposits?
I'm trying to make a custom built world and was hoping to choose were my deposits go.

Thanks!

MiraLeaps I can look into the boulder size config, yeah. Appreciate the kind words!

IssaDwarf Only rare instances, but yes they can overlap. And yeah, perhaps if the devs reach out to me I wouldn't mind adding them to the game or something. I've got a lot of things I'd do differently if they were to ask me to implement it though. Thank you for your kind words!

RosstheGreat I very much am enjoying the new structures. I also find it neat that they can overlap, please don't change that. Wonky magma gen is very cool. I just didn't remember seeing that particular deposit type discribed and wanted to make sure it wasn't an error, as a visible error can point to other hidden errors. I actually completely missed the spoiler box in the discription with all the extras until you pointed it out 😳. I really hope the Dev team reaches out to you to implement a great deal, if not all, of your mod into the base game at some point. Maybe even just add it to the world gen options: ore gen - random/realistic 😜 maybe a middle ground one like with the wildlife.

would it be possible to get a setting in the config to trim down the size of the indicator boulders that are on the surface? I would love to reduce them down to about a third the size

Wonderful mod, thank you for your work. I'm very excited to see how this changes things when I finally stop tweaking my settings and make a save for 1.22 haha

IssaDwarf Because of how I actually locate ore vein locations for the new fault deposits, they will commonly overlap. It's not as simple as a random deposit every so often! The system behind it deserves a post in of itself but essentially it detects when there are widenings or sharp corners in the deposit and flags that area for a deposit. But, with that often ladder veins force widen the vein, and then further get shoot deposits within them. I could prevent overlap but it felt neat when you did find ladder veins with a 3rd or 4rd sub-deposit. 😁

Either way, no problem and I hope you're enjoying the new structures!

nevermind, i see the picture now. 😬

edit: every fault ladder was bismuth with an ore shoot of tin down the middle. I took a couple screenshots of different angles of the third one I came across thinking there was something up. Guess my magma deposit was a little wonky, but at least it was consistent lol

I can't figure out how to crop a screenshot and have given myself a headache trying which is rather comical in its own right as I was tech support before my current med list turned my brain to mush. Oh well, good to know that it's working as intended and just a fluke of my world that they spawn together. 

IssaDwarf In the "New Ore Generator Shapes" there is a picture of them, although I don't recall tin being in that vein. However if it's the new structures it should be a vertical beam. Unfortunately for screenshots I'm not totally sure myself. Maybe try Windoes key + Shift + S to take a screenshot, the CTRL + V to paste it in and show me what's up. :)

is the bismuth/tin vein suposed to spawn in a flat, basically 2d sheet? i took a couple screenshots if someone would be so kind as to explain (in steps a five year old could understand) how to include pictures. I'm autistic and sometimes the most basic of things elude me, and sometimes my brain betrays me and forgets what I used to know ☺️

herbemoji Can add it mid world, back up world.

IssaDwarf Thank you!

Solidude your comment is why we should be able to like 💯

RosstheGreat thank you very much for your hard work in making my world SO much better!!! 

I'm sure this has been answered before, but I can't find the answer - what happens if you install this on an ongoing already-created current world? (adding all those words to help future searchers.) I know it won't affect chunks that have already spawned, but how would it interact with freshly loaded chunks? Would it work, or would it create a ton of problems?

Love the idea, wanna play with it, but might have to wait until my next new world. Wish VS had a NG+ mode haha.

Kelzir Also update came sooner than planned! :)

Waldo_Kun No unfortunately 1.21.6 has a different dotnet version and I've done 0 testing between the two. For now it likely wont be backported, but if for some reason 1.22 is a total flop initially I'll look into it. (Hopefully it wont be!)

Arcanum3000, Solidude Thank you guys for the kind words! 😃

Daaang, that update looks sweet!

I'm assuming the new update won't be coming to 1.21.6?

omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomg
THE update. I love you <3 this makes my worlds so much better

Kelzir For once, yes! I should have it done within 2 weeks hopefully. It's about 95% done including all the new stuff, and handbook pages, One last feature and it'll hopefully be done in a timely manner. I'm putting a lot of work into IOG's sister mod right now, Interesting Mining & Processing to get a v0.1 release out. I'll likely wait to release both mods until after 1.22 drops in full though, if it doens't in the next 2 weeks. (Assuming they're both done in time)

Hi, thank you for this mod. Do you RosstheGreat have any approximate estimate for when a version compatible with game version 1.22 might be released? No pressure, I’m just curious because I’m looking forward to using it there as well.

thanks !!

EmperorValkorion You'll have to open the mod, go to the modinfo.json and change the version to 1.21.0, sorry about that.

@RosstheGreat  sorry to bother you again, just tried to add this mod version 2.2.3 as it says i can use it for versions 1.21.0 - 1.21.6 and my world is on 1.21.5 and my game wont load it as it says it need the 1.21.6 version to run? any fix i could do to get it to run or should i just use the 1.21.5 version?

@RosstheGreat  brill thanks for responding so quickly !! 

EmperorValkorion You could add it mid world and it'll only spawn in newly generated chunks, unless you reset them (I wont be explaining that here) I also would recommend backing up your game world!

@RosstheGreat this looks like a cool mod, though got a rookie question, if i add this to a already lived in world would it change only what i haven't explored ? ideally i dont want to start all over on a new gen world 😅

Yukari_75 Yeah, I will be setting it up to just rely on 1.22.0 for the next major update. Unless something game breaking happens, IOG should support all versions of 1.22 when I'm done updating.

Yeah, it's just an issue with the mod info file not being set up right for a mod compatible with multiple versions, I could be wrong, but I think if you set the dependant game version to the oldest compatible version, it should then work fine for players using compatible older versions without needing to edit the file. But I'd recommend asking mod authors with more relevant experience to be sure about that.

Yukari_75 That's odd. Well, worst case go into IOG and change the modinfo.json version to whatever game version you want to use. It should work more or less on any version (Barring a few exceptions that aren't relevant here). 

TopazCarbuncle Ah, yeah that makes sense. In vanilla IOG I have to disable a function within the prospecting system that causes that % reading. That is, because it causes world generation issues within IOG. Worst case I would suggest using Betterer Prospecting, it's more accurate and you can tune it to how you want with it's config.

Tried to launch the game with v2.2.3 of IOG and got the message that it depends on VS 1.21.6 I'm using 1.21.5 which this page says the mod is compatible with

I don't have Better-er Prospecting installed. I'm still at a loss.

Are you using Betterer Prospecting TopazCarbuncle? Also IOG is not inherently compatible with vanilla prospecting (hence the boulders), but Betterer Prospecting has a sort of "Automatic" reader that says "Ultra High" as the highest output that you have discovered. It goes away after several prospects for that particular ore. (A feature, not a bug)

I have both this and Geology Additions installed (including the IOG/GA patch as a compatibility layer) on 1.21.6. I noticed that when prospecting, some ores (some vanilla like Bismuthinite, as well as GA ores like Tetrahedrite and Sperrylite) have readings ranging from "very poor" to "very high" despite all having readings of 0‰. I'm not sure which mod is the culprit, so I'm asking the same question on GA as well. If anyone has any ideas on how to resolve this (or even just why it happens), please let me know.

EDIT: I also have Terra Prety, Rivers, Material Needs: Geology and Rock Strata Variety installed.

mattergamer Yep! I'm on hiatus right now so I couldn't remember the exact update/framework name. It'll get updated when 1.22 comes out, and possibly with some major additions to IOG but we'll see. That's a VERY BIG maybe.

RosstheGreat They updated to using .NET 10 I'll look forward to the mod being updated for 1.22.0 when that comes out.

mattergamer Yep, I believe IOG just needs to be updated from dot8 to dot10 or whatever the devs moved to. Shouldn't be too hard but I'm waiting until release to even look at doing that.

Arcanum3000 Interesting... I'm not the one who set up that file structure so I don't quite understand why it looks like that, but I'll pass that on. This is the first I've heard of these issues so I wonder if neph maybe changed his filestructure

TheCatDied Olivine always spawns in peridotite. It doesn't ever "Replace" iron, or rather no ore vein replaces it. Could you send me screenshots of what you mean? If you want more immediate responses I am more active on the VS Discord under the IOG thread under the same username. Feel free to ping me.

Huge olivine ore veins are taking the place of where iron should be. Is this a known bug? This is really disheartening because I see it has ruined our multiplayer world.

I'm seeing these errors when running IOG with MN: Geology and Geology Additions (latest versions) on 1.21.6.  I haven't tested it, but from digging around in the file structures it looks like "mineralore" in the patch target path needs to be changed to "gems".  Or maybe these are just legacy or otherwise no longer relevant.

Does not work on v1.22.0-pre.2

FNXR I have no doubt! Ore bombs are insanely good for these ore veins, especially the particularly large volume ones.

Found myself one of those chimneys veins, its awesome to dig them using ore bombs lol.

LubieKakao1212 Yes, in the config there's an option to change the chance to not spawn ores, the higher the less ores. 

DiPig7970 IOG's cave-ins only effect stone blocks. You may have them disabled in worldgen, there is a command to re-enable them as well if I recall.

I don't know why, but I never encounter collapses when mining, and when I'm building, some blocks can hang in the air without falling.

Is there currently a way to make the veins appear less often?

SonyFanboy I have no idea why you would be getting texture errors. IOG doesn't add, change, or remove any texture whatsoever. Best I can tell you is, not IOG's fault. Try wiping cache, removing all mods, and if that doesn't work a full reinstall.

JerreyRough So Sulfur is intentionally higher than other ores because a lot of regions seem to have igneous dominant areas, and Sulfur doesn't spawn in Ingeous Stones (iirc). Although I agree they do spawn too much in their *current* state. As for Bismuth, I actually have no idea why it's so common. I'll try tweaking these numbers at a later date. 

I am currently on Hiatus from any VS modding. If there's any game-breaking bugs I'll pop in and fix them but I don't intend on touching anything until after 1.21 releases.

I love this mod, though I'd like to throw out there that Bismuth and Sulfur both seem to spawn a lot? I kept noticing Bisthmuth in a couple of worlds in bolders in very different locations, and Sulfur veins left, right and center. I grabbed the block overlay mod and jumped into other worlds and I notice they both appear far more often than other ore types? Like, 1 Bismith deposit per 2-3 non-bisthmuth deposits, and sulfur just all over the place.

I took a peak at the json, and perhaps the tries per chunk might be a little high for both? Especially for sulfur (I know it's common IRL but still, seems a little high at 0.1 tries per chunk).

I'm using Terra Prety, but it doesn't tough rock strata/ore spawns. I don't think the others I have do either.

im still getting error textures

TanjBear You can disable boulders if you dislike them, but I can't make them spawn randomly (just with how I have them coded) it also is MEANT to replace prospecting in vanilla if the user isn't using any other of the mods (such as Betterer Prospecting). Not sure what you mean about "Gravel Bug", perhaps when cave-ins happen it causes the rock to turn to gravel?
That is a very deliberate choice on my end. Primarily because when it wasn't the user couldn't clear the collapsed areas at all without causing more and more collapses. Gravel prevents that and preserves the ore, and general room. Otherwise if it's not the cave-in gravel thing I really have no other idea what you might be talking about. It doesn't prevent you from mining stone, and StoneQuarry works without causing cave-ins. Someone had a 100x100x100 quarry on my server with no supports whatsoever and it was fine. Also if you don't *want* cave-ins you can simply disable them at worldgen and that will prevent my mechanic from functioning.

A few things. long ore paths making me carve mineshafts is dope.Boulders on the surface is cool cuz i can make em into charcoal and pottery rooms. them leading to ore, not so cool. Gravel bug also not cool cuz i need StoneQuarry mod if i want stone. i will shelf this for now and come back later. still good tho.

Well, it doesn't seem to be actually breaking anything, so don't worry about it I guess. 😀

ChimMAG Noted, that's really odd. I'll take a look at a later date, or maybe Droseran will be able to check. I'm on hiatus from modding for a bit.
It looks like there's probably just a minor issue with one of the JSON files somewhere, but where I don't know.

I see errors in the server-worldgen.log file. I don't know what effect they have—the game doesn't crash, everything works fine. But still. Below is the log. I'm only showing one entry, but there are more in reality. The error repeats with different chunk coordinates.

GuyCLykos use Block Overlay, shouldn't be too hard to set up. I'd recommend using 412 search distance at LEAST.

Kirillpro3000 I don't  understand the question, vanilla ores are automatically updated with this mod to spawn in their shapes (All metallic ores, and most of the mineral ones).

Maeyanie That's SUPER weird, and it would be mine in the hostResolvedBlock.Blocks table being 0, that is super weird though... I can't recreate it on my end at all and also use EM2.

Nemesis688 Sure thing, let me know how it goes!

are there mods that add vanilla ore back in shape of these veins

RosstheGreat How do you debug using xray? So far, I've been relying on the prospecting pick while in creative. It was only in the updated mod that I've hit a big deposit of tin so now I know it definitely works but I don't know if the previous versions didn't affect world gen or not. That's my bad.

Sure, here's the current modlist:

Most of the worldgen-related ones are from your suggestions, except EM2, which could possibly be the cause.

I saw the errors in the console, but checking now, they're in server-worldgen.log.

Looking at that function in a decompiler, well, I don't get line numbers, but unless something's getting inlined and messing up the stack trace the only place I see it could happening is "Block oreBlock = hostResolvedBlock.Blocks[0];" which would be not really your fault. Things do seem to be working in general, at least, I've also found a large sulphur vein... so it could be just one ore type definition is messed up or something.

Nice! Thanks for the reply. And yeah backups are always a good idea.

Maeyanie I can't seem to replicate this error, and neither can Droseran. Do you per chance have a modlist? Also is this a worldgen error in the logs or in the server.main file?

Rambo_Turkey All ore veins tend towards poorer quality ore, 50% of the time a vein will be poor, 25% it will be medium, 15% it will be rich (if available in that stonetype) and 10% of the time it will be bountiful. (If in that stonetype). This is to offset the massive size of the veins.

Nemesis688 Yes you can add it to old worlds, please make backups though.

GuyCLykos I think you maybe had it installed wrong then, perhaps? There are a few vanilla deposits and surface veins of ore are left untouched (copper/tin) for early game. Beyond that there's little else of the original veins.

LiothTheBrave Check the config file, the boulders are able to be turned off, however they're meant to show areas with a vein. For "Prospectingless prospecting".

Maeyanie Thank you, I'll look into it. The last update was done super late at night so I likely missed something.

On a new 1.21.6 server with 2.2.3 of this, I've noticed a number of the following exception in the logs. I haven't gotten to the point of actually looking for ores yet, so no idea if it's working despite this or not.

Edit: It does seem to be working, I randomly stumbled across a tetrahedrite vein.

10.1.2026 12:56:29 [Server Worldgen] An error was thrown in pass TerrainFeatures when generating chunk column X=7990,Z=3968 in world 'Twenty One' with seed 73
Exception System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Index was outside the bounds of the array.
   at InterestingOreGen.Generators.TiltedDiscDepositGenerator.GenerateMultiOreFaultPocket(IBlockAccessor blockAccessor, BlockPos center, Int32 radius, Double thickness, Int32 gradeIndex, Int32 sudDepCount, Boolean gentleSlope) in C:\Users\thedo\OneDrive\Desktop\Modding\Mod Sources\interestingoregen\InterestingOreGen\Generators\TiltedDiscGenerator.cs:line 1321
   at InterestingOreGen.Generators.TiltedDiscDepositGenerator.GenDeposit(IBlockAccessor blockAccessor, IServerChunk[] chunks, Int32 chunkX, Int32 chunkZ, BlockPos depoCenterPos, Dictionary`2& subDepositsToPlace) in C:\Users\thedo\OneDrive\Desktop\Modding\Mod Sources\interestingoregen\InterestingOreGen\Generators\TiltedDiscGenerator.cs:line 550
   at Vintagestory.ServerMods.GenDeposits.GenDeposit(IServerChunk[] chunks, Int32 chunkX, Int32 chunkZ, BlockPos depoCenterPos, DepositVariant variant) in C:\Users\Tyron\Documents\vintagestory\game\VSSurvivalMod\Systems\WorldGen\Standard\ChunkGen\5.GenDeposits\GenDeposits.cs:line 287
   at Vintagestory.ServerMods.GenDeposits.GeneratePartial(IServerChunk[] chunks, Int32 chunkX, Int32 chunkZ, Int32 chunkdX, Int32 chunkdZ) in C:\Users\Tyron\Documents\vintagestory\game\VSSurvivalMod\Systems\WorldGen\Standard\ChunkGen\5.GenDeposits\GenDeposits.cs:line 231
   at Vintagestory.ServerMods.GenPartial.GenChunkColumn(IChunkColumnGenerateRequest request) in C:\Users\Tyron\Documents\vintagestory\game\VSSurvivalMod\Systems\WorldGen\Standard\GenPartial.cs:line 45
   at Vintagestory.Server.ServerSystemSupplyChunks.runGenerators(ChunkColumnLoadRequest chunkRequest, Int32 forPass) in C:\Users\Tyron\Documents\vintagestory\game\VintagestoryLib\Server\Systems\World\LoadThread\SupplyChunks.cs:line 1936

Can we get a version that doesn't make the giant ugly balls on the surface?

RosstheGreat I got similar errors comments from days ago. Still new here but investigating in a couple of creative worlds show vanilla ore generation from what I can tell and the same errors due to the mod on world creation. I'll give it another whirl now o/

Can this be added to an on going world to let it take over ore gen in new areas or will it likely cause terrain gen errors?

Im haveing a bit of trouble with iron every vein i find is extreamly sparse and poor quality ore any advice would help 

GuyCLykos Pardon? The mod works fine, and has worked fine? I use it actively right now on a 1.21.6 server. What issues are you having currently?

Right now, I don't think this mod works. Hope it gets an update. I do think it'll make a dedicated mine worth while.

Solaire_Goshaven it's my .txt files, to quote below:

`No it's not an issue luckily, I put those there so when I export it from VS studio it doesn't delete the *folders* beforehand.`

Looks like theres a syntax error in the new update, ill link a pastebin to logs

Kirillpro3000 Vanilla ores do not generate, however vanilla surface copper and tin deposits still do, with surface bits.

I dont understand if vanilla ores still generate, but i suppose they do

Okay fair enough! RosstheGreat 

Lemniscate_Mike Thanks for the heads up! No it's not an issue luckily, I put those there so when I export it from VS studio it doesn't delete the files beforehand. Probably need to find an alternative fix, but it's more the last thing I'll need to fix.

I'm getting this error when loading up:

"4.1.2026 19:56:52 [Error] Failed loading patches file interestingoregen:patches/deposits/gems/gemcomment.txt:
4.1.2026 19:56:52 [Error] Exception: Failed deserializing gemcomment.txt: Unexpected character encountered while parsing value: T. Path '', line 0, position 0.:"

I imagine it isn't a problem, but thought I'd mention it!

Siiiiiiick.

DefactoToastThere is in fact a mod with my exact mechanics in it for stability/cave-in systems. Enjoy! https://mods.vintagestory.at/caveinfix

RosstheGreat there are some people on my server who dont like the ore generation changes, but really like the stability mechanics of your mod. would be great to be able to have just the stability be an option in these situations, but i accept the fact that it is not an option haha.

AmethystZhou Appreciate the kind words! I'm happy that bug is finally fixed!

Thanks again for all the hard work and fixing the prospecting bugs! I can finally go back to my world again 😁

DefactoToast Is there any particular reason why? The cave-in mechanics are very similar to vanilla, and actually significantly more easy/consistent. Curious on any feedback you might have? 😄

Keep in mind this is for the most recent version of IOG, which helped that a lot. And, no it's unlikely I'll pull them into their own mod for a couple of different reasons. If you don't want any cave-in mechanics you can disable them in worldgen or with the world command, the mecahnics follow that setting.

i understand it wont be, but it would be so great if the cave in mechanics could get a seperate mod XD

AmethystZhou That's already a feature of some veins! Specifically the Chimney vein will have a higher quality center ore, and poor(er) shell ore. It also can happen in sub-deposits from Fault/Seam veins! The sub-deposit pockets tend to be higher quality the closer to the center of the vein they are. 
Thank you for the kind words! 😄

This is a must-have mod, thank you for the amazing work!

I'm wondering if it's possible to generate different grades of ore within the same ore patch, so that the highest grade is found in the epicenter and gradually decreases all the way to "poor" at the edges? And different ore patches may have a different "highest grade", i. e. some patch may have bountiful at the center, and some max out at medium, etc.?

Cryoflair That is a huge amount of information actually, thank you so much! So if you read below where Politehnik and From125 were discussing, there's a bug where if you use Density Search Mode it will cause new ore veins to spawn, likely what's happening is that is what causes Ghost Ores as well as "Spontanious ore veins". I think I know how to fix it, just wrapping up holiday stuff and hopefully I'll get some time after new years to patch up what's going on.

Ghost ore bug can fix itself when a cave-in triggers. There I was, mining around looking for copper only for the roof to transform into copper and crush me to death.

Ghost ores also seem to apply to dirt, I had a moment where I was punching some dirt only for the block (and some surroundings) to transform into granite right when the "dirt" was meant to break.

Politehnik That's perfect, thanks. It looks almost like they are there already but the world just "remembers" the exist? Like very clearly in the screenshots there's no form of ore under them at all...

You mentioned ores can regenerate in the same general area, have you seen say, a copper vein generate a new structure of the same type off of the same copper vein? From what I can see it seems new vein generate away (somewhat) from older veins.

Also massive information there, that it only regens around where the prospect is!

If possible can you chat to me in the IOG thread on the official Vintage Story discord? https://discord.com/channels/302152934249070593/1367581350118428794

Sure, what type of screenshots do you need? There were a faw in my previous posts. Here's a couple more random ones with GlobalOreDisableChance 0 link

The additional ores generate around the place of prospecting, not around the player. New ore blocks seem to replace the old ones if they happen to generate at the places of the latters. The map outside the ore veins spawned in a radius of prospected chunk seems to be unaffected link

Politehnik From125 The lag from prospecting is a result likely of something regenning. That's wildly interesting though, I have some suspicions as to what it is. Politehnik thanks a ton for the info on older versions, if you wouldn't mind, can you send me some screenshots of the vein duplication? I have a couple suspicions as to what's causing this, and I actually was aware of another report of this from ages ago, but assumed as it was only one report that it was in fact not a big deal. hah. My big thing now is I need to know if the veins are regenerating off of the same seed, therefore implying that somehow the veins are no longer seed-locked. The structures also could be non-seed locked as they may generate in new ways. Either way though, this shouldn't be happening regardless because the chunks themselves seem to be being regenerated upon using Density Search Mode, which in of itself leads me to believe there's something else going on with the prospecting itself?

I'm curious if this is a vanilla behavior that somehow is unchecked because of how vanilla generates ore? Or perhaps ore is regenerating when prospected? 

Also! I need to know if the ore is regenerating locally around the player (within a chunk or a few chunks) or if it's a complete global regeneration?

The scenario from one of my previous posts works like charm and reproduce the bug pretty consistently. There're indeed lags when I prospect but I think it's a consequence of frequent scanning, not a cause of a bug. I haven't experienced long freezes tho.

I've tested the stuff more and unfortunately it was indeed "luck". New results after testing for 5 times on each version of the mod (game version 1.21.6):

2.0.0 - 5/5 times bug was reproduced

1.2.3 - 4/5

1.1.1 - 2/2

No mod at all 0/3

At this point I started to think it's a change in 1.21.6 that caused the problem with the mod.

So I installed 1.21.5 and a mod version 2.0.0 - still bugs out

1.21.0 with 1.2.3 - bugs

1.20.9 with 1.1.1 - welp, still bugs.

So uh, it seems to me like this bug was around from the start but somehow flew under the radar. Which is kinda understandable: you won't see the spawn without an overlay and a game restart. You can just assume you weren't careful with prospecting and missed it before. Boulders made it apparent, that's why we found it now.

Meanwhile it doesn't get fixed, you could leave an warning in the mod page, that there's a ore spawning bug(aka ghost ore) when prospecting with the density search mode.

Yesterday i was playing with the mod on, and only using node mode(and borehole mode from betterEr prospecting), played for about 8 hours and i haven't ran into any ore spawning shenanigans, so the problem seems to be exclusively around density search mode

A small thought, the bug also could be caused by fps, politehnik, are you experiencing, freezes when prospecting with density search mode?, whenever i was testing my game freezed for an whole second whenever i mined an block in density mode

Politehnik Thanks again for all the help, and yeah if it's something changed from 2.0.0 -> 2.0.1 then it should be far easier to fix. I suspect this is also the cause of Ghost Ores though, and likely a deeper rooted issue than a quick fix like that. Possibly. Who knows. lmao

Politehnik try specifically close to two different ores, i found out in my earlier testings that it is much more likely to spawn a new ore type if close to 2 existent ones

This scenario worked for me every time on all other versions. I tried it two times on 2.0.0 just to be sure - no new ores. It can be an unfortunate luck but it doesn't seem likely. I'll try one more time tomorrow.

Politehnik I did no code changes between those two versions... Or none that would effect oregen at least, I don't think? That's really funky. You're certain it didn't happen on 2.0.0?

I've checked different mod versions doing the same experiment as before. This bug can be stabily reprodused in the version 2.0.1 but never happen on version 2.0.0. So it must be something between those I assume.

Politehnik MAN that's really weird. I have yet to see any issue like that on my end but I will start digging through the code in a few days probably. I'm busy with Yuletide and family for the next week or so.

My suspicion is that somewhere I may have accidentally removed seed determinism when I went through and cleaned up the code. That could be causing it, but honestly there's so many things that could result in this bug. Maybe I need to change how ores spawn ingame... set a hard limit on veins in proximity to prevent this from happening? 

Table with all ore spawns in it, check table when spawninng locations -> if any ores within X range(config for those who want ores an exactish distance away) -> don't spawn ore. It's kind of a band aid fix and might slow down worldgen though, so I'm not entirely sure? This is wild.

RosstheGreat I tried the same experiment as previous ones but with GlobalOreDisableChance 0 - result is the same as before: link

Before I was using GlobalOreDisableChance 0.3 for testing.

From125 Politehnik SubtleHorror Oh boy! That's not good at all. If any of you have checked, what is your GlobalOreDisableChance in your configs? Can you guys check if this problem still persists if you set that number to 0? I wonder if because I didn't specifiy based on seed which ores didn't spawn on that setting that it's causing them to reappear later?

I can confirm what From125 said. It spawns new ores. Turning off the boulders and indicator veins and keeping my previous settings and mods the same just removes said options but you still get extra ores right under yourself. I was using the version 2.1.2.
Here're screenshots after creating a world and prospecting one column right under myself to the bottom of the world: link. And it's not just visuals: mining in this place before the prospecting gives stone, mining it after prospecting and restarting the game gives ore.

RosstheGreat it is not respawning ores, it is actively spawning new veins around the player, meaning if you prospect alot in density mode, you will have at some point all type of ores around your base, the problem might be coming from the respawning ore check itself

SubtleHorror disabling the boulders will stop the boulders themselves from randomly spawning, but it wont stop from spawning ores around you(if it spawned more than one boulder then im sure other ores than cassierie must have spawned around, use borehole mode with a larger radius, instead of density)

Can confirm the rock/ore spawning issue. Just got this and betterer prospecting and started a new world to try these out. Got to the point where I got prospecting pick and was using Proximity/density to dig out an vein that I found while digging a cellar. Went to pick up a mold I'd made just after and couldnt interact with it. Broke the mold and the rocks spawned in, replacing most of my items/storage. Reloaded the world and entireity of my base had been replaced by stone. Never encountered this issue before- it's so weird it's more funny than frustrating lol. Silver lining is it spawned a ton of casserite right next to my base on the surface so i'll take that trade, just need to replace my copper so I can make bronze. 

Have now disabled boulders in the config, will see if it persists.

From125 It sounds like when using the propick density search mode it's respawning the ore or something? I'm exceedingly confused because I have at least 1 check to ensure this doesn't happen. I'll have to look in the next week, in the meantime disable Boulders in the Config and let me know if it still happens on your machine.

i downloaded the 2.0.2 version to test, and currently, it seem to be bug free, prospecting with the density mode doesn`t spawn ores, whatever bugged out seem to be from version 2.1.0 onwards RosstheGreat

edit: nevermind, it still spontaneously spawning ores, really weird bug, and i`ve noted something, the more type of ores density prospect finds, the more likely it will spawn more and different ores

From125 JeeHost Fjall Politehnik Appreciate the info! I'll look into it, but I don't get this bug on my end. I've had IOG-v2.0.2 loaded on a server and ran on many singleplayer worlds while testing and recently and I can't reproduce this bug... It seems like another Ghost Ores bug where some people might have it and some others might not. Again, worst case is disable the boulders/tracer veins in the IOG config and let me know if it still does it. If not, just use Betterer Prospecting.

Kherbyne Betterer Prospecting is easier to read, you can do it with vanilla but I honestly just wouldn't recommend it. I might make it a requirement but some people (myself) don't like using prospecting pickaxes.

Fastest way to check is creating a default survival world in creative mode, from there you can quickly prospect a local area intensely, if you have boulders on, the area will look like it was hit by an meteor shower

I can confirm the ghost ores bug too.

I made a standard world with default settings + IO + Block overlay, no other mods. IO settings were "GlobalOreDisableChance": 0.3 and "depositIndicatorProspectVeins": false. Everything else is default.

The starting scan is on the screenshot 1. Then I prospected right under myself for about 2-3 minutes. The second scan was identical to the screenshot 1.

Then I left the game and opened it again. There was a new boulder and new ores under it (Screenshot 2 and 3 respectively).

Note for anyone that uses this mod this little setence the mod maker put it hidden in the description should help you.

"Betterer Prospecting! IOG doesn't inherently work with vanilla prospecting all that well, KnewOne spent a good bit of effort to get it semi-functional! Read the description of the mod!

I would say it vanilla prospecting doesn't work at all with this mod but "shrug"

Can confirm. Just spawning a default settings world and vigorously prospecting boulders 100-200 times in density mode in one area seems to spawn more ores. Used Block Overlay for checking. New ores fully appear after saving and loading back. Took me 5 minutes and differences were easily noticeable.

I can confirm I also have boulders of stone and ore spawning all over the place.

Prospect veins are small veins of ore that come from the big veins, it's an accessibility feature, more or less? Also for newer people. 

I'm not really sure what to do about that, geez that's crazy. From125

RosstheGreat it is the 2.1.2 version, also no, disabling the boulders doesn`t change anything, ores still spawn.

what does the "depositIndicatorProspectVeins" value does?, it is set to true.

Dentist From125 That's WILD I've never seen something like that happen before. Can you guys triple check to make sure you're on IOG 2.1.2, and disable the boulders in the config?

This is absurdly funny, but a really bad bug unfortunately.

it is still spawning ores around the player(or area prospected)

edit:vanilla node search seem to be working correctly, the problem seems to be specifically with the density search mode

can confirm, prospecting is literally spawning ores: https://prnt.sc/HiH7H6J8SSVD

edit:phantom ore bug is basically just the ores spawned by prospecting, they only turn visible after reloading the save

edit again:i had countless boulders spawn on the surface too, after prospecting

yet another edit...:after uninstalling the mod, making another world, and prospecting like a maniac again, it didn`t seem to spawn any other ores magically, im going to try running your mod without betterer prospecting to see if still bugs out

RosstheGreat i didnt change any settings, my house was build on flatland, there were no stone formations on the surface, when i started prospecting it started corrupting the chunk and spawning them inside my house my farm and on random spots outside. I didnt use any commands.

From125 It shouldn't?

RosstheGreat i`ll see if continental world is conflicting a causing the boulder and the phantom ore problems, forgot biomes wasn`t installed, biomes shouldn`t cause issues right?

From125 Boulders are from GA and/or IOG, depending on your configs. Odd... Idk what would cause that? I can't say it's from IOG alone but maybe a mod incompat?

RosstheGreat can confirm, prospecting a lot is causing issues for me, surface stone became dirt for some reason, and turned back to stone once i tried breaking it, then again, not sure if its caused by betterer prospecting, this mod, or any other world generation mod im using

boulders are spawning on the surface to me, thought that was just natural generation

Dentist And boulders/rockforms were just... spawning out of the ground? Were you using any sort of commands or anything? Regen chunks or something? Or did you build into the boulders?

Or, did you enable them in IOG's config after world gen?

no this was befor, i generated the world.

From125 That's really intriguing, prospecting could have something to do with it but I doubt it? I still don't know what exactly causes that bug, but it appears to mostly happen with IOG. I've had one report of it happening in vanilla but never got what modlist they had beyond that.

OverlyNeon Appreciate that! I was under the rough assumption that it has to do with ore generating in a chunk before the chunk was read (which should always give an error in the logs) but I've found no concrete way to prove that as I've never had it happen on my machine.

And thanks, I try 😄

Calbain Maybe for the moss layers, I'm not sure how to apply it but if I can figure it out I will absolutely do so.

Dentist Ghost ores bug, that's really unfortunate but I don't know what causes it. Also did you add IOG after world generation?

I dont have any other mods that would do this, at least that i know of, i had the ore generation on 200%. it even overtoke my house and started spawning rock formations and ore on the surface, after i disabled this mod it stopped. i am using BetterEr Prospecting.

https://imgur.com/a/sw8YZGX

Dentist you sure you haven`t installed a mod that does that?

you also could have been having the phantom ore bug, do you use betterer prospecting?

OverlyNeon After doing another ton of prospecting(with betterer prospecting mod) i had it happen again, so im guessing is an issue with that other mod pherhaps? saving and loading the save file does solve the issue,also i`ve noticed some freezing while prospecting, could be linked to the same problem

I dont know if it was caused by this mod, but i keep having new resources generate around a certain chunk, even in my mine new resource patches would just appear in the walls, were before there was only stone.

Any way to get boulders to generate with moss layers?

From some (albiet extremely limited) testing, I can say with mild confidence that the phantom ores issue is causes by something in this mod, but from what I saw it only happens on initial generation and a relog completely corrects it, including for chunks that have yet to be generated in the world so, at least as far as I've seen, you can really only run into the issue on your first time loading into the world.

(awesome mod btw)

i just got the ghost ore bug, was about to report it when i read the mod page, if theres something i did a lot before i went mining and found it, it is prospecting, i am also using betteEr prospecting mod, that also could be one of the roots of the issue.

i also have a few other mods related to world gen, continental world and biomes, not sure if those relate to this one

Any plans to make it available for 1.21.5?

EDIT: It might not be necessary for me personally. Modlist seems to be working in .6 further testing

Pocok5 If you're on IOG 2.1.2 it should be in the ModConfig folder inside of the InterestingOreGen file, if it's not there remove cache. They're enabled by default so it sounds like you possibly installed the wrong version as well?

Hi! I updated the mod and no config file was generated (that I could find). I want to enable boulders and prospector veins, what is the file name and the json keys for them?

MekleKalo Update to IOG 2.0.2, I fixed them. It was a debug flag I had still enabled I forgot to turn off when I updated the mod. 😅

RosstheGreat it repeats the notification with various coordinates and rolls. I don't think it sends any other notifications outside of startup.

[Notification] [IOG] Skipping deposit at 510154, -99, 512434 (roll=0,061 < chance=0,500)

EnderMelody Politehnik JeeHost Hey, thank you all for the kind words! I can look into adding the boulders to a config, right now the config is in testing so it's unlikely to be immediate but I can look into removing those and the tracer/prospecting veins as well. It will be in a future update, no ETA of course because who knows. 

As for the ore beneath, I probably could make a way to do that but I'm also trying to minimize the amount of bloat in IOG. While a nice feature, they do slow down worldgen, and I've had plenty of people asking me to reduce them or their size, so I doubt it'll ever make it into live.

I can look at other tells for ores, but boulders was the easiest, simplest way I could add them. I unfortunately don't have the time, skill, or energy to sit down and make dozens of assets to do my original plan which was flora additions. Colored grass, mushrooms, different plants that indicate veins. They would be a minigame in of itself. However, again I just don't have the ability right now. For that matter if anyone is willing to donate their time to a nice feature for IOG like that, feel free to DM me on discord, but I have no money to spend on the mod for something like that, sadly.

RosstheGreat You're the governor, mate, but I gotta concur with previous comments. It would be awesome to be able to turn off boulders altogether. Or at least make them NOT guarantee ores beneath (though if I understand their generation mechanics – that might be harder to do than just making them disappear). Keep up the great work.

I agree with EnderMelody. I like the new generator but imo boulders pretty much erase the prospecting aspect of the game. It's like playing with ore highlighter. It might be good for people who don't like prospecting, but for geology nerds like me it's very unfortunate. In vanilla we can turn off surface ores and enjoy the process, but in this case there's no option for us.

i do think a config for the surface features would still be good to have. there are ways to get around needing the surface features liike mods that give ways to find ores without needing to use the ore map as well so having the config is still good to have even if it would make vanillas way a lot harder.
also i really love the idea you had to have surface "tells" that would give indications of the ores below and i hope you still want to add it.

ausdog I'll look into it, I'm going to work on a patch this evening (no guarantee it'll be done anytime soon) and I can't really say whether or not I'll add a config option. Again, they're a fundamental part of the IOG's prospecting system. Although with this patch I might make it so it'll have patches of barren soil or something in addition to the boulders. (And reduce the frequency of said boulders).

I think the big problem is whatever I use to indicate the veins will make somebody upset about their look or terrain feature. To some degree, I don't think I'll be changing them significantly (other than size). I think they should look more like buried rocks than giant chunks of rolled mountain though. 😂

RosstheGreat would it be possible to add boulder options to the config? I agree with opaliris, I get the idea you're going for with them and it's neat but they're kind of an eye sore and seem to be too big/frequent. Maybe add a way to have it sometimes be bits and sometimes boulders or just have a config option to switch between the two? Or just an option to change the chance of boulders spawning would be good I think. Making them smaller like you said would def. help too.

MekleKalo Can you send me some of those logs? I feared there was something somewhere that would cause that but I couldn't test it on my machine as I'm client only at the moment.

opaliris Interesting, I hadn't had too much an issue on the ruins front but I definitely see how they might be an irritant. I originally had them much smaller but they were just squashed spheres with no additional features. I wanted them to look mildly interesting but I suspect they are also the cause of the error logs mentioned by MekleKalo, as it still seems they don't respect ungenerated chunks! I basically made it spawn several shapes, mash them together, then apply a bunch of chunk removal options to make them more interesting. I'll likely undo that and just make them simple deformed spheres again, and smaller.

Should be out next update.

RosstheGreat Thanks for clarifying! Some feedback after playing for some time:

I know the boulders are intentional and I like the idea of them, but they are a little "unsightly" imo. Maybe there's a way they can be smaller/more discrete visually? Or have a non-guaranteed chance of showing up? Feels like they're too big and/or too plentiful. They're also spawning inside of almost every ruin I come across, both on the surface and below ground, which is pretty annoying.

When I had the new version on my server, I noticed it was flooding the server logs whenever someone was generating new chunks. I think that could be a problem because it's just notifications about it skipping deposits and it gets in the way of other stuff.

Luin Thank you so much for that command, I always use /wgen regen and didn't know about the /db prune command! Use that if updating from old worlds!

opaliris Supports still function perfectly fine, more or less with the new block mechanics you can use supports to mine out your initial structure, and then remove them later and reinforce your ceiling with blocks if you so desire! But both are now options for mining. 😁

absiste This is intentional, the boulders/rocks indicate veins now instead of the bits mechanic from 2.0.2. If you dig around the boulders and in the area you'll come across tracer veins that you can follow to the main ore body. I'll be working on a 2.1.1 update here soon with an ingame information guide or something to show the player how to do that. Just waiting on any major bugs or issues to come in before doing too much on it, just in case.

2.1.0 caused random clusters of solid rock to spawn across the surface landscape for me. I spawned in a desert so it was a little less obvious at first, but it was global- there was rock clusters in trees, etc... Switching back to 2.0.2 resulted in a world without the random rock clusters, so it does seem to be the cause of it.

So glad to see the 2.1.0 update, thanks for all your work! When it comes to cave-in logic, do supports still function the same way? Or are we now supposed to reinforce ceilings with blocks specifically? I would prefer to use supports still if possible.

Update: Updating to 2.1.0 and running the command "/db prune 16 drop confirm" (Deletes all chunks that have less modified blocks than the specified number to save the chunks that have your base and other things) regens every unimportant chunk in the save to have the updated ore generation. This still leaves chunk borders next to chunks that weren't deleted but it's a lot better.

Command "/wgen regen [chunk radius]" regenerates chunks entirely regardless if you built anything there or not if that's desired

Moldavite Hey thanks a ton for even considering that! I do this mostly out of passion, so I don't currently accept donations. I've not really thought about it either to be honest 😅 I might look at setting something up in the future but we'll see.

CPTBunny Thanks for checking out the mod! I'll try and answer everything here best I can, sorry if I glossed over anything!

1) IOG is built to not rely on the Density Search mode from the Prospecting Pickaxe, I actually have a different built in mechanic to allow prospecting completely without the propick. The area search mode can assist with that though so it's not completely useless!

2)  Addressing the odd numbers, yes I'm well aware of the bung readings. It's an unfortunate mechanic of how the density search mode works, which in vanilla just estimates the total ore volume of the ore deposits as they're all just discs (cylinders). It doesn't even check deformation of them because it's such an insignificant amount of loss. The problem is, my ore generators are insanely complex when it comes to estimating that. I would have to generate thousands of veins per ore type (of each generator) to get accurate(ish) numbers, and even then they probably wouldn't work super well. I just recently updated the mod page today to include the link to KnewOne's Betterer Prospecting. This (with some setup) can give more accurate PPT readings, but unfortunately there's little I'll ever do to accomidate the vanilla style of prospecting. 

3) I don't think world ore values actually effect IOG anymore, at some point I gutted that code from the generators on accident and forgot about it. So it's all IOG defaults. Also keep in mind I still rely on oremap to some degree, which can just be plain unlucky sometimes unfortunately! I've had worlds with dozens and dozens of large coal veins all around us, and others where we never saw coal at all.

4) So, in vanilla "bits" spawning is only locked to ores that are, I believe within 12 blocks of the surface. Broadly speaking I way overdid this on IOG, so coal spawning bits on the surface isn't something I'd found in my many thousands of hours of VS. Also, the vanilla copper gameplay loop is still the same, you still will find small patches of copper bits (and on rare occasion tin bits) on the surface to make your first tools, and then mine those surface veins for your first set of tools. This is totally unchanged and has always remained so.

5) Sheesh! 10x10km is crazy to only find 4 veins?! They are supposed to be FAR more frequent than that! The default setting I have them on right now is around 1 vein for every 500 blocks or so (This is a very rough, unscientific estimate). I recently added a config, so check that and tell me what numbers you have there.

Fundamentally, I think a lot of the things you're mentioning here come from a lack of understanding of the mod, which is mostly my fault. The mod page is somewhat outdated (although not all that much) and I have no ingame manual anywhere telling you how to actually "play" the new versions. It's hard to think of everything when I'm so in my own mod's head and ultimately there's not that much helpful feedback for it! I forget that there are other players playing that don't have all the knowledge of the mod that I do. 😅

I'll look into doing some sort of guide, somewhere about how to play IOG, and all of the info the player might need for it. Thanks a ton for the feedback, it has been incredibly helpful from the perspective of a new user! And of course if you have any further questions, feel free to @ me or ping me in the Vintage Story Discord (@RosstheGreat) or the IOG thread in there too.

I figured I should share my thoughts and observations in this mod.

I absolutely love this concept and decided to try it with a couple of other mods, mainly Block Overlay because I wanted to see how the world gen would change this mod's results. I don't know if this maybe has something to do a setting I put on but prospecting with density mode feels either glitchy or misleading. Certain ores and minerals would give either no hint of presence or would give odd numbers in return. Density search mode never resulted in me finding any amount of coal of any variety and gave misleading or impossible(usually 0.00%) numbers for ores like sphalerite and ilmenite being. My tests werent exhaustive but I also feel like certain ores have much greater or weaker ore rarity and potentially ruins the balance of certain stages of gameplay by giving either too much hassle to find certain materials or providing certain materials in such access that it hardly becomes a gameplay factor. The thing that I found strangest is how seemingly rare coal was with me often having to travel several kilometers between deposits on relatively high world ore values.

When I originally downloaded this mod the 2.1.0 update came out only hours afterwards, so I got to see the differences between updates while it was still fresh in memory. I do believe that it was a good idea to remove the surface nugget spawns from the metal ores but I feel this also poses a potential issue. Certain ores and minerals in vanilla, like coal, can generate surface nuggets which I feel is a significant loss from this mod in its most recent version. I know nothing about how the game or mod makes these surface bits appear but i feel like it should still happen, just for select materials to not make it possible to completely skip copper and bronze tools. As for the new boulders that act as a telltale for ores, they seemed very infrequent with travel in a 10x10km space only yielding my discovery of 1 sulfur, 1 zinc, and 2 tin veins. Is this intended or did I potentially have an issue? the language in the update log is somewhat ambiguous and lead me to believe that it would be more frequent than not.

Planning on opening up a Patreon? I want to buy you a coffee for your hard work!

Luin I didn't test upgrading from 2.0.2 so I don't really know, but spectulatively I can say it should be fine? I changed a whole lot of little numbers behind the scenes with ore generators to get the Geology Additions patch working with certain ores, so there's a non-zero chance that something will cause some funkiness with your ore generation on border chunks. Worst case you should be able to regenerate chunks with the command (I forget which).
If you choose to update (which is probably fine) back up your worlds!

Gotta say I love the new features!

I'm sadly quite far into my current save so unsure if I should update, any idea how this might behave with a 2.0.2 save?

2.1.0!

Changes/Tweaks:

1) Modified previous cave-in logic to now no longer be a "scan" search, but a 20 block long step search.
Mechanically: The block broken will choose 1 of any available solid blocks on any of it's orthogonal faces, and "travel" to that block. It checks instability, and then checks all of it's neighbors for instability. It will do this for up to 20 steps, at random, never doubling back on itself. It also has a weighted bias to travel to blocks with higher instability (not super high, but it does tend to do so) so it will normally seek out and find the highest instability block and travel along it. Once it reaches a block with 100% instability, it will then travel down (regardless of how many steps it has been, as it can only travel down a maximum of 6-10ish tiles anyway) and find the first "unstable" block with air on the bottom side. If it finds air, it will then become the epicenter of a relatively large cave-in. This means you can prevent cave-ins on certain blocks by reinforcing your ceilings! (I tested slabs, and solid blocks) As long as the block isn't air, it counts. (I didn't test liquids, so underwater cave-ins might be impossible!, whoops!). Understand, if you have a 1 block hole in a completely solid block ceiling (reinforced) and the step-search happens across that block it WILL collapse blocks in the ceiling too through your reinforcement.

2) Removed hard cap on ore generation quality on all veintypes! Instead I have added a heavy bias to poorer quality ore. Approximately 50% of ore will be poor, 25% will be medium, 15% will be rich, and 10% will be bountiful. This applies to the whole vein, some veins still have "rich cores" though sitting at a higher quality than the surrounding ore.

3) Optimized how some poorer performing ore generators function by contructing the entire body first, then having it place blocks (avoiding duplicate placements). I have personally experienced a significant increase in chunk generation time, and world load time.

4) Changed spawning of "Bits". No longer will ore veins spawn bits, but instead boulders on the surface to represent a nearby vein. With this change, I also added "Prospect Veins" to all ore types, that randomly shoot off of an ore body and travel to the surface (for performance they have a maximum travel height so on really tall worlds this might not work, I was mostly fine at 384). These prospect veins only spawn ore through stone, not air and not dirt. Dig through the dirt and poke around down below boulder clusters and you should find single pieces of ore, follow them down to the main vein! You can use the prospecting pickaxe for this too! (I would highly recommend)

The Config has Arrived!

I was unable to test if it functions across Client-Server connections and there's a few cases where it might break that I have been unable to test. For the most part it should be fine though.

There is one configurable option for now:

GobalOreDisableChance

This is to tune down or up the ore spawns of IOG. I would highly recommend keeping it at 0.5 (as default) to test. This is a flat % chance of ore bodys to not generate. At 0.5 that is 50% chance for ores to not generate, at 0.9 that is a 90% chance for ores to not generate, and so on. I found 0.9 to be nearly barren with one ore body per maybe 3,000 blocks. If you play with Geology Additions, and the GA+IOG patch we made, I recommend turning this to 0.6 due to the increase in ore vein types. (And therefore increase in spawns)

Enjoy!

Ok! Thanks for the quick reply!

Volund Intentional, technically. I'll be changed in the next update whenever I get around to it.

Emily16 I actually have no idea, I don't know how their mod does the regeneration. It's probably fine? but I don't know what they're doing under the hood so my official answer is "Maybe". If you do anything, make sure to back up your game worlds, just in case.

RosstheGreat do you know if https://mods.vintagestory.at/regenores#tab-description this Ore Regeneration mod would be incompatible?

Interested in trying out the mod, so gave it a go on an existing save, but discovered that mining any sedimentary rock (In this case limestone) resulted in total terrain collapse and cave ins with tons of rock-turning-to-gravel. Is this intentional, or is it due to me enabling the mod on an existing save? 

BendrickMy todo list for next update will be reworking how collapses are triggered and going back to more or less vanilla collapse block logic (Triggering vanilla cave-ins will be what I mess with, everything else will be more or less vanilla). For the most part, this is just because I used vanilla code in a way it was not designed. I tried fixing it at one point but I recall not great results. It should hopefully be fixed for my next major update. Likely some months away, but no promises.

Hey RosstheGreat I love the concept of this mod, and appreciate that you've been tweaking it for a while. Something I've come across on my server (I've tried to isolate it in single player to just your mod and default settings (+cave-ins)) is ore duplication, the situation is quite specific but hopefully you can replicate and figure out a solution (if it's not somehow my fault!).

You can mine a block (with instability 0-100%) that is on top of a block-type that has no instability and allows it to pass through or slide over (or is free floating!), if the mined ore block triggers the search for a nearby 100% instability block, if there is one it will trigger your epicenter system, however if the radius from the epicenter encapsulates the original mined block, you will recieve the mined block (normal) AND a version of it will be spawned to cave-in from its position. Effectively this lets you duplicate any block that caves-in and has instability %. Unless I'm misunderstanding.

To replicate: Place 1 dirt block, place 1 copper ore block on top, then mine the copper ore block. If there are no nearby blocks with instability, it will only find itself (at 100%) and therefore drop both the copper chunks, and spawn another copper ore block that slides off / falls through 1 block thin platforms. This also happens if you place two coppers apart and the "secondary epicenter" backup system triggers, but the two blocks are close enough that the radius of the epicenter from the 2nd block encapsulates the first. (Think it's like 4-5 blocks).

This behavior does not happen with vanilla cave-ins. They simply break the mined block, and nearby blocks fall, it does not create a new one in the original's place.

I suggest either checking the system cannot self select the first block, in either the primary radius or the radius of the secondary epicenter (by making sure it's always triggered by a minimum distance). There may be another cause here but that's all I could find, let me know if it's okay to temporarily fork this for my private server, love the mod!

ImGonnaCrumb There is not currently a way to adjust spawnrate down. There is a bug that causes the maximum ore generation to be 0.01 (1%) and causes that as the floor for the minimum generation. Eventually there will be, but I'm on hiatus from modding at the moment, friend group moved on to other games and I haven't had the motivation to hop back in and do anything yet as that's a big fix for me.

Luin That is a vanilla feature, and a result of how vanilla instability works. I only mess with the actual cave-in shape currently and what triggers searches. Why it's built like that I don't know.

Ciber No config currently, eventually there will be. Surface bits are a result of it not replacing grass, and I had to overtune them. In areas with less vegetation you'll notice more bits, with more grass in areas you can actually have no bits spawn at all if you're extremely unlucky. In my test worlds I had several ore veins I had no indication was there, and that caused me to overtune them. Eventually the bits were meant to be replaced with other indicator forms such as plants, mushrooms, and other small stained stones bearing some form of indication of host rock/ore. For now, it's bits. 😅

GOODYOB I apprecaite the kind words! cave-ins can be disabled with a worldgen setting (there is a command too, I don't recall what it is) as a holdover if you just don't want caveins. Vanilla cave-ins are really boring, in my opinion, and my current implementation was quite a fun challenge for me and my group so that's why it currently is the way it is. My next stint (When I don't know) has quite a long to-do list but chiefly among them is fixing up the current implementation of cave-ins. Part of why I have them in-built into IOG (and for a while was going to leave it like that) was because a lot of people complain(ed) about the ore gen being too easy. To counter that ease I figured making mine reinforcement and preperation a challenge and resource sink would be a good alternative. I'm still not *certain* on flat out removing cave-ins from IOG for that, but I will for sure have a config of some kind eventually for them.
I'm also changing them in the next update to be less harsh and much more interesting.However, again, that's when I get the motivation to sit down for several days and actually get through my To-Do list.

I absolutely love your mod, but I beg of you to separate cave-ins and other systems you might want to implement in the future into separate mods.
I think its safe to say that I'm speaking for a large portion of the community when I say that when we get a mod that adds cool new ore veins generation, we want cool ore veins and not a harder cave-in system

Played for a bit. I can't seem to find any config file in the standard config folder?
Surface bits definitely too plentiful.

How come some rocks have higher instability than the rock below it? I'v seen 100% instability ON TOP of 0% and I think that has been creating unexpected cave-ins in places that look fine when using a pickbar but have a 100% instability hidden in the roof.

Is there a way to adjust the rarity of the ore generation? I'm finding way too many surface bits distributed among the ground, and I'm worried the veins are too common.

DecaByte Should do, yes. 

RosstheGreat
The Stronger Sediments mod might help people that have issues with cave-ins?

SLEDGE_HAMMER I don't think so, the issue with that theory is that I should be able to recreate it on my machine readily, and the ore doesn't place in stone, it replaces stone. Also, I have a lot of checks and different functions to help prevent stones spawning in materials they shouldn't, and when they do they get a "Shell" of their host rock. 
I know for sure that it isn't the case. Unfortunately I think it's a load order issue, like a chunk not getting updated with my ore gen or something? I'm still not super sure on what causes it, and it's such a rare bug.

I think the invisible ore is because the deposits are spreading into the host rock that does not contain a texture for that mineral. Example no sulfur ore texture in andesite. Ive also noticed silver and lead droping from halite which doesnt contain a texture for those as well.

Permarin1 Well there goes that theory 😅 I have no idea what's causing it then. I can't get it on my machine but I haven't had time to test it multiple times.

_Ozymandias if you read down, there is a post where Ross replyed to me, explaining some of the possible ore gen shapes. There is no 100% on the shape, there is some randomness to it. 

RosstheGreat

my rig is:

Didn't this mod page have a chart showing all the details about every type of ore? Did you move it somewhere else?

Freeflier The only thing I change is how frequently ores spawn (Reduction) and the shape in which they spawn in. Wiki should still be pretty much accurate on it all.

I've added this mod to my latest playthrough and played through a year in-game, and I do like it so far. I have found that since ore nuggets spawn around nearby ore, you can gather a *ton* of surface level nuggets really quickly. I'm not even set up for iron but I have two stacks of it XD Which could be good or bad, but I could see tailoring back the quantity of surface nuggets since there's so much more ore close to the surface with this mod. 

I do have a question though, generally speaking is the wiki info for ore distribution still ok to use? The two things I'm struggling to find are quartz and borax, which has really put me in a standstill for advancing. If the wiki isn't good to go off of (to see how and where ore spawns) it would be great if you could include that pertinent info here.

Permarin1 From the brief test I did earlier I was unable to recreate it, but I also had a few additional things installed that might have messed with the test. I really appreciate you sending me that info.

What's your rig quality? Broadly. Could it run, in theory, VR for instance? I'm curious if something to do with lower rig memory or load time might have somethign to do with it?

And no worries, I think broadly you're fine.

RosstheGreat

it was the entire ore vein that was invisible. i bombed out alot, crossing chunks. and only when relogging did the remaining ore become visible.

i do hope you can manage to recreate it. but i also do agree with your mod description

"It's not game breaking, sometimes it fixes itself in game (according to reports), often a relog will also fix it."

and

"personally I want to label this issue as Minor"

ofc. people.. reading.. in this day and age? naah lol.

but i did read the entire modpage before i got the mod. but by the time i actually found ghost ores ingame i had forgotten they where adressed as a bug on this modpage. 

still reported it here tho.. since IOG is the only oregen affecting mod in my pack (that i know affects ores atleast lol)

Permarin1 That's some insanely helpful information, thank you! I'll take a look into it and see if I can recreate it on my machine. This has been a longstanding issue with IOG that I've never once been able to create on my machine.

Also, you mentioned relogging fixed it. Was there any blocks within that vein that showed at all? I'm looking for something like chunk boundary issues where maybe I'm not initializing the vein correctly and it loads in a weird way?

RosstheGreat

first see this image.

yea, no matter what block i was looking at. it all was named stone. i even went into survival with a pickaxe, and the "stone block" dropped copper.

this world was created modded. i did not add any mod to a already made vanilla world.

i found it cuz i was flying around looking at world gen with terra prety + rivers mod. testing out the ram usage with that many mods too. i came across this massive snow/ice platoue mountain. on it was copper samples. earlier in the same save i stumbled upon some tin ore in rock. and used some ore bombs, wanted to see how large the vein was. so when i found the copper i wanted to test that too. i dug strait down and didnt see any ore. i take out a propick and i get HUGE readings. but i see nothing. i enter flight + noclip in creative and poke random holes all around. still HUGE readings, no ore. thats when i take out some rock bombs. and to my suprise.. COPPER!? but only as items on the ground. 

before i posted the first comment, i updated from vs 1.20.12 to 1.21.5, i also deleted fully the mods folder, modsconfig folder and the cache folder. then i installed all the mods that i was using in 1.20.12, but fresh and for 1.21.X

i created 3 worlds prior to making this ghost ores world so that all the mod configs would be created.

i made a mega file share thing. so you can get the world, mods and configs to test it. (and here is the obligatory "internet stanger danger" use viritual machine or something if youre afraid of malware)

this is the world seed, world settings and cords of the copper location. and under is my modlist.

modlist: (mega link has a download w/ configs)

Permarin1 Ghost Ores! So you're telling me it didn't appear in Block Overlay? or did you just happen across it?
Is this a world updated from vanilla ore generation to use IOG later on?

This is, the single most annoying, rare, and hard to track down bug I've had to date! So all info you can provide me is huge! If possible, send me your world file and as much information about your world as possible.

hello RosstheGreat

found a visual bug of some sort..?

flying around in creative testing some stuff. came across a copper surface sample. wanted to see how big the vein was using this mod.

i look underground for a LONG time. find nothing. then i use a bomb. and somehow the andesite stone is dropping copper?

imgur showing it here:

earlier in the same save i found tin, and i could see the ore fine.

additional note. i am kinda running 196 mods, but out of those only this one affects anything with ores.

if you need a list i will provide it.

ill keep the worldfile incase you want all the details and cords to the invisible copper. but idk if you need it?

Teagan Yeah I saw, it changes vanilla ore placement so it isn't functionally compatible with IOG, just because IOG has it's own ore generation JSONS. 

Ores-a-plenty increases the chance ore will spawn in a chunk. That is it. The author has separate json files for several ores to achieve this

Lucian_Fallen Honestly I'd never heard or seen Ores-A-Plenty mod honestly. Any of the ores added by it will not work with IOG's generation, but they shouldn't be directly incompatible. Just not supported.

I'm not sure anyone asked this but, is this mod compatible with Ores-A-Plenty Mod ?

I gotta say this is very OP mod, omega ores don't seem to be rare at all. W mod.

Default generation likes to make stepping plateaus, which have tiny overhangs that collapse when a block is mined meters away, bringing a bunch of what should be stable rock down with it. The mechanic to collapse blocks with up to zero % instability from an epicenter does not work as intended in this and many other potential examples. The initial search function causes issues, as well as the epicenter function removing spheres of blocks where it doesn't make any sense, such as cliffsides.

The new cave-in mechanic is preventing me from drilling into a cliff face at all due to the search function causing mass destruction, and countless other performance-heavy random pits are being formed anywhere I want to dig, even dirt, causing a cave below to collapse, ruining my landscape. I love the ore generation, but please keep the cave-in features in a separate mod. For example, trying to sample one block from a cliffside, and a massive sphere of rock falls out of the side.

Thorin48 Spawnrate config isn't possible with the current setup. That's something situated within the vanilla game, best I could do is make ore more rare but honestly it's pretty rare as is. What happens is the ores follow oremap, and multiply their spawnrate in that specific region a LOT. So you can find absolutely no ore in a region, or find all the ore in a region. This is because of Vanilla Oremap.

also, bits are a holdover until I can finish making the dozens of assets I need to make for indicators of ore. They'll be removed eventually.

Also can you make it so that the bits spawned above them can be disabled for multiplayer I love the mod. However I want a hardcore play though is all thank you 

Can you add a config to this, the amount of ore veins on a 20% ore gen world is insane and I dont think its working has intended. In a 1500 block radius there was 10 copper viens 4 iron viens and 3 tin veins. I want to be able to get the ore to spawn very rarely. Thank you :)

Rythillian That's really interesting and kind of concerning. I never noticed much an issue on worldgen load? It does increase it by some but not by a significant amount. I've not had much issue on my end of things, or any of my clients on my server. 

What version of IOG were you running, and if you were testing did you have *any* other installed mods when doing so? Cleared Cache between tests, etc?

RosstheGreat We were just testing the mod's individually when we noticied the slowdown. Remove the mod and instantly the world loaded signifacntly faster. Was definitely more than 10-30% slower for some reason. Like we could run to the border of generation and had to wait for new chunks, vs without where the entire area generates in seconds.

Rythillian I have noticed a slowdown in worldgen but it shouldn't be more than, maybe 10-30% slower than before? Anything more than that might be cause for concern. What modlist are you running?

Cool mod but with it installed the world gen is insanely slow. Is there something I'm doing wrong?

MagnaFM Yes it should be perfectly fine to set up now and update later. Worst case ore veins will shift in shape or size but overall nothing you'd ever notice. (I don't plan on messing with them anytime soon but it's possible)
Other than that, yes.

MythOceanas Ah I love TP, we use it on my personal server too. Lovely terrain! And I really appreciate you mentioning Pickbars, that saved probably 2+ weeks of devtime on something similar. 😄

RosstheGreat yeah a cheap flag block is all I have been looking for. Even colored dirt works for what I am doing if it contrasts the terrain.

I am playing with Terra Prety at recommended settings so my world hight is pretty high. So I was curious about the shapes so i would be able to gage prospect mining holes when Im trying to hit a vein. So far its been working well except all the Quartz spanws right against the coast so I have to tunel down and under the ocean which is fun 😄 lots of slow careful tunneling. 

I just read that a lot of people had cave in issues, and wanted to hopefully help them out with the Pickbar thing.
 

Would this mod be safe to create a server with and then update if you're only fixing how cave ins work?

MythOceanas Survey flags would be huge, I'll add that to my list but i'm not sure if i'll ever add anything other than just a super cheap "Flag" form block to mark out ores. Probably no string or connectivity or anything though.

Ah, I specifically left out the list of which ores generate in what material. It's a lot to maintain because a lot of the old information on it was wrong. If you want a "live up to date" info on them, check my mod's deposit JSONs, otherwise I sort of leave it up to the players to figure it out.

To give a short list off the top of my head, and to echo what you mentioned:
Native Copper - Chimney AND fault
Iron forms in all types of shapes, depending on which iron you find. I believe Limonite is Hydrotube, Magnetite is Chimeny and Hematite is Fault. Not certain on Magnetite.
Lead is likely to be Chimneys and/or Hydrotubes, but I don't honestly recall
Zinc is Hydrotubes and Chimneys (I believe both)
All coals spawn in Fault vein types, same with Quartz, Gold, Silver, and Peridotite, among others.
Tin should spawn almost always as a Chimney formation, I don't think I ever gave it any others.
Malachite (My favorite) spawns as Hydrotube Deposits, but they tend to be significantly larger than other similar shaped ones with WAY more branches and longer tubes themselves. (You can see an example of it in the mod pictures at the very top)

If it's actually a significant issue I can write some sort of Handbook entry or maybe a list on the DB page for them, but it was easier for me to remove them and just sort of let people discover them as they so pleased. I have enjoyed forgetting which ores spawn in which veins only to rediscover them later when I go a-searching for it. 😁

RosstheGreat if you are looking for something to go with this I have not seen, it would be survey flags. Just a small stick with a color'd flag or string on it so you can kind of mark out where you find ore abaove ground and get an idea of the ore path bellow ground. I current use the map and a few fence posts but the fence posts can be hard to see without a bright colored flag.

Also, could you add a list to the mod page on the shapes ore is supposed to generate in? From what you posted above adn what I have seen, I am guessing from my seed, Copper, Lead and Iron are Chimney formations, Quartz, Gold, Silver, is in random disc and Zinc forms in Shutes. Coal and Anthicite I think are Chutes and Lead is Chimney. What shaped should Tin spawn in? It's been really hard to find it, except for a few small surface deposits.   

MythOceanas Yeah that is actually an incredible addition to my pack! I remember seeing the mod briefly when it first released but I was on break so I forgot about it. Thank you so much for referring it! I added a small recommended modlist section for both Post and Beams, and Pickbars. 😄

@RosstheGreat hopefully it will be good for both of you. Pickbars isn't really usefull for Vanilla Cave-ins but I saw it when I was setting up my pack around your mod and I have been happy with it.

MythOceanas

Oh no way! I'd never heard of Pick Bars mod! I had been debating adding it myself of some form or another but that solves that issue! 😄

I'm super happy to hear you're enjoying it! I'm not entirely sure what I would do differently than that mod, by the looks of it, it seems pretty much identical to what I wanted. Glad I added that sound queue! 

I have been combining this mod with the Pick Bar mod. It has really helped with setting up supports for caveins. I think a Pickbar type item should come with this mod because even with it, I occassionally have to seach to find a weak spot when I hear the rubbling. 

Really enjoy the mod 👍

RedXtreme Hey! Appreciate looking into IOG. To explain, I seem to have an issue somewhere in my code with my config that makes it not sync between client and server, among a few other minor things. Problem is it was all working before I published 2.0.0 but I apparently forgot to save it and now it's a complete mess. 🤕

It's been a slow process, like untangling the worst dense ball of headset chord you'd ever seen. I'd say it could take up to a week but I'm hoping it will only take today to fix the config. And, no worries on speeding up the process it's literally just a limitation of my available free time. Unless you're willing to pay my wages for a day 😂(This is a joke, do not do that). I can release a version with cave-in logic disabled completely if you need it today, or you can wait for the config which could be some time, as it's also going to come alongside some changes to cave-in logic. Although likely unapplicable on your server, if it has that many people on it.

Dear author! I own a server with a relatively large community. I'm currently preparing a build for the update from 1.20 to 1.21 and decided to use your ore generation mod.

Now, two days into beta testing, players are more concerned about your cave-in mechanics than they are excited about the new ore generation. This mechanic is unplayable for the server and for most players. Any attempt at geological exploration and mining results in colossal cave-ins in nearby caves, which puts a significant load on the server. We can't disable cave-ins completely, as that would turn into regular Minecraft.

Please tell me, is there an approximate time it will take to add a config to disable the mod's cave-ins? Is there a way to speed up this process, or could you release a version with the cave-ins removed? We're willing to sponsor this if it can speed up the process. Thank you!

V7I Hey! so you can turn off the Cave In logic by disabling cave-ins in the world config. For now it's not able to be seperately disabled so it's either my cave-in logic or no cave-in logic. This will change in the future, but it wont be immediate.

Further, the cave-ins happening far away I'm not really sure what to tell you, I would recommend being on the most up to date version, it should reduce the distance in which cave-ins can trigger by a bit. Newer version also reduces the frequency in which the cave knocking plays.

As for seperating the mods, yeah eventually I might pull the cave-in logic out for it's own mod. It will certainly have a config in the future for all of the fun settings you could want but unfortunately at the moment my config is bugged and currently disabled. This will be fixed in the future, but again it wont be for a while yet.

is there a way to disable all the "Cave In Logic" stuff?? 
im getting really annoyed by the sounds and the caveins even when i suport the cave. . . 

also cave in happening 20+ blocks away because i broke a block somewhere else is very annoying and confusing. . 

i LOVE the new ore gen but not everything else?

like. . . why? 
at the very least let us disable that stuff, at best i would like them split into 2 diffrent mods? 

RosstheGreat I just wanted to let the other guy know that is isn't per se wrong what he said. In the end it's up to you what you do and certainly it is more punishing than the arguably not very well fleshed out cave in vanilla mechanic (i'd have to lie but for every preset it's turned off)

Kaschperle You’re right that the cave-in logic isn’t flawless, there are edge cases where it feels a bit off. That said, it’s working as intended, and I’m not planning to refactor it again right now (maybe down the line, but not anytime soon). This mod is meant to be a tougher, less forgiving take on cave-ins and mining in general, so if that doesn’t sit right, disrespectfully don't use my mod.

As for “not ready to be live” — let’s be real: there will never be a “perfect” system. Technical limits (and my own skill and performance constraints) mean there are always tradeoffs. And even if I somehow shipped a flawless version, I’m sure someone would still find a way to complain about it.

RosstheGreat so I did also some testing the cave in logic is sometimes silly if I destroy  a rock which is below me not supporting anything it will bring the ceelling down. I knew there was this cracked 100% instability rock but the logic doesn't sit right with that one. If I destroyed the stone to the side or half I would have understood but you can trigger a cave in if its in the radius of a 100% instability stone. So there is still to work on. So I fully agree CharlieSoulfire that your cave in logic is broken. You can say "use support beams" yet I say if vanilla cave gen makes a cave like this it should be stable enough. As long you dont dig up. But triggering a cave in from destroying the ground is a flawed mechanic and not ready to be live

Algernon Hey that's awesome! Glad to hear I wasn't crazy on my logic in the cave-ins. 😅

What do you think of the mechanics overall so far?

Tested the cave-in and cave interactions a bit after seeing people comment something along the lines of it being possible to get killed by digging into a cave.

I found that if you're doing support beams right its actually impossible to get caved in, no matter how you dig into a cave, which is how it should be imo.

Usedtea No, not at the moment. Unfortunately it makes it nearly impossible to fix a cave-in if it's not turned to gravel. Sorry to hear you dislike the idea of it being cleanable with your bare hands, although it would still take quite some time regardless. It also begs the addition of a shovel into your mines which is nice to add more tooling desired for mining. 

Is there any way to make fallen stone turn into cracked stone? I don't really like the idea of being able to clean up a cave-in with your bare hands.

Kaschperle Yeah I could but I'd also need to rename the file so people don't see something like "Interesting Underground", go to remove, or update it or something and not find the file they're looking for. If I rename the file I also need to rename all of my variables, asset folder, and a bunch of other stuff.

In short, it wont be happening.

RosstheGreat isn't it enough just to rename the moddb page? Don't have to touch your files for the title I think.

Kaschperle Renaming it has similar issues, IOG is fine as is. Mainly because internally there's a bunch of code I would need to rename too and honestly I just can't be bothered like I said. One day I may rip out all of the Non-ore gen stuff but for now it remains because it's easier for me to patch and manage the project as a whole as opposed to 2 different projects so closely linked.

RosstheGreat yeah forgot that I turned down the whole gen chances and made them smaller lmao. I mean it's your mod but you should rename it then. As interesting ore gen only means generation. Mining overhaul Ore Mining Overhaul. As that would reliable showcase it's not just a gen mod. "Immersive Ore extraction" 

Kaschperle Pretty accurate, if you mine similar to vanilla but with just a bit of roof reinforcement it's normally fine. Also explosions don't cause my cave ins, that is on purpose for the Drilling and Blasting. 😄

As for a seperate version, if someone doesn't want to play with my cave-ins they'd need to turn them off in worldgen, but I wont seperate them for now for 2 main reasons:

1) It's meant to be the added "Difficulty" of having such huge ore veins with ample supply of ore. Too many complaints of it making the game "too easy" so it will remain. Just to spite them 😁

2) It's a total ballache to seperate the code, set up a new mod, integrate, test and fix anything that needs it, AND set up a whole other modpage, image, etc. all of that setup for a mod that I'll need to also maintain alongside IOG. One day, sure I'll probably rip it out and slap another mod on the DB but for now I cannot be bothered.

to voucher for RosstheGreat from my own experience it's similar to vanilla cave ins I removed the knocking sfx as it was so annoying to hear it every 15 sec. So far I haven't died to cave ins and only had controlled ones. I used none beams method like 2x2 in andesite stone and 3x3 should work too. Never dig up if its to unstable same rule for vanilla cave ins. Did explosions in a silver quarz vein and only near the explosive parts it came down. So far I can't tell any difference tbh to vanilla cave ins. If I have a arch it will never fall down but a flat rock line is dangerous and you should only use it with beams that kind of mining. I am also using salty's cave symphony which also adds random earthquakes and triggers some blocks falling

But I understand that CharlieSoulfire believes it's one or another perhaps making a seperate version where only the ore gen is included wouldnt hurt. 

CharlieSoulfire The cave-in mechanics are working exactly as intended. If your tunnels collapse despite what you think are proper supports, that’s… on you. This isn’t a bug, it’s skill—surprise! I’ve mined every type of stone on my private server using reinforced or natural supports, and it works flawlessly. Cave-ins are meant to be a challenge; if that’s too much, maybe this mod isn’t for you. I make it for myself, not to cater to complaints that read more like whining, and I won’t be responding to any further messages from you. Figure it out and move on.

You cannot prevent the majority of cave-ins by supporting your mine or cave. I supported every other block with the posts from the posts mod you suggested and still had random, unpredictable collapses. I have even tried holding the ceiling up with other solid blocks and the cave-in just goes through the block and being supported from beneath had no bearing on the fact the center of the collapsed circle was (when checking in spectate) on a block which was 0% unstable before the cave-in (since I have to obsessively check every wall and ceiling block to see if there is any instability at all to delay the inevitable I know this block was completely stable). There is no skill issue when literally nothing prevents cave-ins with this mod.

You either have a mod which turns natural caves off or makes them scarce if you think it is at all possible to venture underground while avoiding being with 10 blocks of a cave (which will always contain completely unsupported blocks). Expanding on my complaint about the cave-in warning (which I try to use to avoid being near caves) it only seems to play from some 100% unstable blocks, not all. So even if it was possible to relyably locate through sound queues (instead of having every other sound drowned out by an omnipresecent series of thumps), this would not catch every case where, for example, a very small natural void silently ruins your day. So, even when I am making sure every block visible is 0% unstable, I still have chained collapses.

As mentioned, I am using the mod you suggested. This still did not help. I mentioned it several times in the comments you chose to sardonically mock. I installed it at the same time as your mod since I waited to start a world until I had your initial feedback since I had expected you to make a suggestion of the sort. Here is a direct suggestion: link that other mod in this mod's description where referring to the cave-in mechanic if you consider it such a cornerstone of the experience. I am surprised you don't already do so. I would also suggest redacting the blurb about there being a configuration file until such a time that there is once more an attempt to implement customization options.

Caves are already impossible to cave in when using this mod since you need several stacks of support posts to ensure all blocks are supported before trying to extract resources in a small area and even then (see above) you can have all that effort ruined by a block you couldn't see. Needing this many inventory slots pre-occupied to even try extracting resources is one of the reasons I mainly quarried in TFG when I found ores, it was typically not worthwhile to try to support a series of tunnels when the game equally rewards avoiding the problem altogether and, in fact, punishes attempts to use or learn the included collapses system by destroying resource nodes. The system also cannot account, neither here nor there, for trying to follow a resource vein which slants upwards from where it was initally discovered, as the suggested here and included there beams do not grant requisite support when trying to carefully slant a mineshaft toward the higher altitude resource branch.

I am allowed to complain when systems are hostile and give no feedback. In fact, if you can't see the over-arching theme of how I want the ability to more accurately tell which areas are effectively bombs which cause catastrophic chained failures and an unrecoverable mess of a mine (or, in my case as well, burying my hobbit-home halfway through construction unexpectedly) when triggered, you may not have been actually reading my complaints and instead only skimming them to see ways to be sardonic and hostile (also hinted towards by the fact you missed how I am, in fact, using the posts mod you suggested when I mentioned it several times). I would have just said "bad mod," uninstalled, and moved on, rather than trying to use the mod (as shown in the timeline of me returning to add more comments over the course of a day as I encountered behaviors the mod caused) and leaving long, detailed comments. I like the mod, and want it to improve, but I am not a developer for this kind of project so the best I can do is tell you how behaviors of the mod feel as a user (similarly to how telling a doctor your symptoms helps them diagnose the problem, you don't typically walk in and tell the doctor what to treat you for unless you have a very good idea what it is, and even then you may be very wrong). I despise the very new and very backwards but somehow popular idea that you can't take issue with something you, yourself, do not know how to fix. I'll admit I don't have any solid suggestions for what to implement, since I do not know what really is possible to implement and suggesting, say, that blocks which are crucial support be marked as such in their tooltip, may be suggesting the impossible and a worthless thing to do. Just having an indicator that "mining this block will cause a collapse" when a block is adjacent enough to a 100% unstable block would solve most of my complaints, most likely.

RE: "Also:" If mining a block causes a collapse, was it stable in a classic sense? Probably. But as an end user it doesn't feel very good when I am mining a block directly adjacent to a support post (in a place lined with support posts and other forms of support) and a catastrophic chain reaction happens when the UI, combined with the small forest invested into the very small escavation area in the form of posts, would suggest safety. I have also mined a 0% unstable stone on the surface and heard catastrophic chain reactions go off below me, in another case where "removing support" is a non-factor. I agree with the idea that mining a wall which is holding up the block above you should cause a collapse, but the feedback for what blocks are doing that is key to a smooth experience. The implementation definitely makes it so many collapses in human-made mines do not at all feel like human error and instead an act of Dave. I don't even think the system feeling so counterintuitive was your intention, but when using the mod yourself you are coming from a place of absolute knowledge and likely assuming a similar amount of knowledge when remarking on my complaints, when the documentation in the very description of the mod contradicts what you have asserted in your response to me. "Breaking a block will trigger a 'Search' event that will find a block within 12 blocks of the player that is 100% unstable." and "A cavein requires a block with 100% instability to actually start scanned in a 10 block radius," directly contradict one another, when both pieces of information come directly from you. Even in the event that it actually is only 1k blocks checked (assuming a 10x10x10 cube) rather than (12x12x12 cube) of roughly 1.7k, that is a very large amount of blocks which are not visible to the player which can cause the roof to fall on them repeatedly when breaking a single, seemingly safe, block.

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