Some players and I on the Vintage Story Discord have been talking fairly in depth about how a "Crude Map for early game, where players can draw on it themselves." would work, and I wanted to share the ideas here for any modders who would be interested, because I think this could be the basis for a far more interesting and creative mapmaking system. The idea is basically about an early game map, which is drawn 100% by the player themselves. Used in tandem with a Sextant, these player illustrated maps would accumulate detail over time, players would be creating their own Lord Of The Rings style map illustrations, with unique artistic embelishments and distortions that you'd see in old historical maps. We're picturing the functionality like this:

1. Map is blank parchment with no player position or details. Charcoal is included in the item just to keep the use of it simple.
2. Player walks to a location and uses the Sextant by looking through it and aligning sun with horizon.
3. That Sextant position is marked on blank parchment map.
4. Player must look around and sketch surroundings as they see it. Level of detail is up to their discretion.
5. Can choose to draw or erase super easily by holding Shift.
6. Can also add fancy old map font text, but maybe requires Cartography table for that.
   
   

If the player does this whenever they encounter a new important area, the map will slowly develop into a much more sophisticated level of detail over time. At first I was skeptical about the practicality and enjoyability of a player illustrated map, but after seeing this map shared from Thalius' server, drawn entirely by their server's player community themselves, I’m convinced that this would be a lot more worth the effort put into it than a pixel accurate auto-generating map.

oneil

Try to check if the coordinates window is enabled at all, for this use this command.

/worldconfig allowCoordinateHud

if disabled, add to this command: true

Also try to create a separate world and disable all other mods, perhaps some modifications conflict because of which the compasses do not work.

Hi the compass still doesnt work in the last version :( (no little windows even with the shortcut)  all other  tools are working fine ! 

kastrom3 The easiest way to do it would probably be to just disable the crafting recipe. Basically just have a true/false setting in the config for tool (e.g, "Allow JPS: true), and setting it to false just makes the item uncraftable. You wouldn't need to do much other than that.

Hey, this is pretty cool. Interesting changes. The decision to make the JPS a helmet is a particularly nice touch. 

I'll add a section to the original mod so people can also be directed to this and decide which they prefer. 

A_Whisper

Nephelangelo

Regarding the configuration, I tried to add it, but I don't know yet how to integrate it into the mod)))
I also planned to expand some functionality, so I'll try to figure it all out)) (*￣▽￣)b

This looks excellent. I would also like to echo the commenter below asking for the ability to disable non traditional navigation items, I'm looking to make the navigation more immersive and those don't look as though they would help that goal. Also, it would be amazing if we could draw on the map with charcoal instead of using waypoints. And have maps divided into different pages with size limits, at different scales, which could be copied and shared between players. 

Are there plans to add a config where certain items can be disabled? I'd like to keep only the tranditional tools (compass, sextant, map) but remove all the temporal/JPS items.

@Stewbag Run this mod alongisde this to remove more cheesing https://mods.vintagestory.at/minimalmapping

Is there any way to make the compass needles spin in game like the Compass2 Mod? Would be more immersive than having a dialogue window opening up. 

Great mod and really appreciate the changes made in this fork. Thanks for all the work on this.

It feels like one should still require the map item in conjuction with the JPS heargear to get the full functionality.

Hey, it's a minor issue but  the mod seems to crash the game on v1.20.5 when you hit the map key while not having a map item, otherwise everything seems fine. 

Thanks for forking this mod, I appreciate you removing what I would consider "cheese" from the original.

Im still waiting for someone to create a solid standalone Compass Mod, and a map akin to how Minecraft has a physical map that doesnt track the player and forces crafting multiple maps or pages. Its still too easy to simply "/waypoint add" and have the map display exactly where you are. People arent even crafting anything beyond the map because they are mostly unecessary.  

Is there a way to increase the durability of the JPS. With combat overhaul it breaks with thorn damage from bushes.

Been using the mod for a considerable amount of time in a server and its been a blast!

Tho I'd like to ask if its possible to implement some sort of waypoint AND map discovery with others. Currently using K's Cartography Table and it works fine with the mod but I feel it'd add a lot to the immersion (if it's eve possible that is)
And i guess its good to point out, prospecting can be used to cheat your way around finding your location, although I have no suggestion if you should/ how you could handle that!

Thanks for the dev time, great stuff!

Hi. Is the sextant somewhat innacurate? I mean, does it give you like a zone of coordinates or is there a config for it? I believe it would make it much more immersive if, for example, you had a wider range for your coordinates if it is cloudy and that type of stuff

Hi i seem to have the same problem that joxalot have for the compass not showing the window. tried Ctrl + V and remapping it, didnt help.  all the other tools works fine ! (i have combat overhaul). Thanks ! 

Bughaw

The problem is that it is difficult to implement something like this with AI, but I will try to implement something like this))

Instead of restricting the sextant to a specific time of day, would it be better to link it to daytime specifically, since daytime varies with season and latitude.

I re-uploaded the mod, you can try downloading it again!

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Я перезалил мод можете попробовать ещё раз скачать!

YOOO Thank you so much for the quick response and addressing!!! I cant wait to test it out, tho unfortunately I fear you'll need to reupload the mod again since I think you updated it around the time the ModDB had an outage!

Joxalot

In the mod, for compasses, I removed the code responsible for their use on the right mouse button. Most likely, you just have a hidden window with coordinates, try the combination Ctrl + V or look in the settings in the UI tab - Coordinates (CTRL + V).

Yesterday on the stream, posey just told me about compatibility issues with Combat Overhaul, and even gave me a ready-made code, for which I am very grateful to him, so as you may have already noticed, the update has been released)) (b ᵔ▽ᵔ)b

As for the elk, I have never even seen them, so thanks for the information, I'll see what I can do))

Currently running into a few issues. None of the compass options (Primitive, normal and temporal variations) seems to work. I tried standing still to see if the needle would turn on the normal compass (like the original mod says it would) and nothing, and rightclicking doesnt work either? Am I missing something? Sextants and Map works normally however.
Beside that, the JPS seems to be unwearable when using Combat Overhaul, would that be something that should be patched on CO' side?

And a minor issue (gripe?) is that the tamed elk mount appears on the map, kinda messing with the immersion a bit. Easily fixable by turning off the owned animal tracker tho is it possible to turn the elk amulet into a tracker aswell? Sound like a very nice addition

Despite all, very happy with the fork! Id love to hear how to fix the issues I'm having cause the mod itself is wonderful and I can't wait to use it in my server!

Your fork is very agreebale to me good job 👍

kastrom3

Yep, it does say that... I know for a fact that I did see it... I remember seeing it... I understood it... but then my brain rejected it. Sorry about that! Haha

I think maybe I mentaly rejected those hours because I do know that sextants were also used with stars as well. Regardless, this is a cool mod as it intigrates mapping into actual game play.

Junrall

There in the first point it says that it will not work from 7 pm to 6 am

kastrom3

I know your description says that a sextant only works when you have direct access to the sun. I assume, this is meant to be used with no obstruction between you and the sky and clear weather... no matter if its day or night?

Kirona

click on Details of changes to the original mod with reasons - everything is written there

What did you change compared to the original mod? I'd rather not risk trying this out if I don't have the slightest clue what's different.

Why not make all items in the mod ground storable? This is vanilla behavior, most vanilla items do that anyway